Kerry let us down?

Yes or no, du?

Or did we let ourselves down? Isn't it more important to us that Kerry is the president than it is to him? Just some food for thought.

democracy is in our hands. history is in our hands.

those skull and bones types will always stick together.

Kerry didn't give us a chance to fight. He ran away and urged us to support *. No thanks!

fight, just that he felt that it was not practical for him to do so at that moment. Secondly you could see how crushed he was at the concession speech and directly after it, an image I can't forget is of him being driven away afterwards with I think one of his daughters comforting him, this was a man who desperately wanted to win, but he thought that the margins were simply too great for him to get any sort of widespread public support if he would have fought.

From Joseoph Cannon at http://cannonfire.blogspot.com a blogger who has good sense, and often gets early news:

"Kerry: I've just heard from one of the most noteworthy soldiers in his campaign "army" (not a general, but not just a grunt) that the senator does not consider this fight over. "

Why so much naysaying? I almost think some of this is deliberately planted to make us lose heart,.

Kerry is a former prosecutor: he knows a good prosecutor never tips his hand until he's ready. Also, he investigated both the Iran-Contra and BCCI affairs. He knows exactly the kind of people we're dealing with. And, he knows that evidence and proof aren't enough: you have to win in the court of public approval. We're finally getting enough evidence, and the MSM is dippings its cowardly toes into the story. Why do you think Jesse Jackson changed his story so abruptly between his interview on CNN, and the protest he is pushing in Columbus?

I agree with everything you've said. :toast:

Welcome to DU! :hi:

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If you knew anything about the common history of Kerry, B*sh I, and Junior, you'd know the skull and bones insinuation is utter nonsense.

These people need to learn the facts about skull and bones. They need to learn all the facts about when, how, and how long Kerry was in it before dumbass ever got in it. They need what Kerry did and said verses dumbass. They would find out they sure as hell wasn't no damn friendship involved. Hell all you have to do is read some of the books that are out there. One of those being the biography by the Boston Globe reporters about Kerry. Hell they did alot of research and interviews with others that was involved when Kerry was, they have copies of speeches he made, interviews with teachers, ect.

I keep seeing threads that say
that Kerry has a double plus secret plan.
Well, when are we going to see him do something?
I think rather, that he has backed off in fear of his family's life.

and the captain of his soul. The rest of us are trying to decipher why he did, what he did, when he did what he did or did not do. We are enamored of people who fight for what they believe in even when all hope seems lost. Still pondering Kerry...

hand-recount to start now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2744532

Kerry must come into the picture. An Ohio judge found, today, that there can be a recount if the Green/Libertarian candidates want one but it won't happen in enough time to affect the electoral vote. Neither of those candidates would be affected if the recount was done now. Only Kerry's campaign has the standing to go to court and ask for a recount to be done now.

If Kerry doesn't make a move in the next 72 hours?...it's over!

http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=2607940&nav=L...

is a corrupt mass media. I can't throw blame around when a brilliant and potent propaganda machine has far more power and influence than the People do. Who can make war with the Beast?

I may be the odd duck, but I find that going to the core of the problem is the way to find out what results from it.

All failures can be traced to a primary cause, perhaps?

It is for that reason that guilt and blame in other aspects of this polticial failure are merely another blind alley. It only serves to break down determination and confidence while obscuring the potential truth.

I don't know how many times (many....) that I have heard someone
in the media say that Kerry didn't do this or didn't do that or
didn't have a plan or,,,,,,,,,. It was crazy. In all cases he did.
It was if they were trying to convince the public that Kerry had nothing and said nothing.

And, then when it came to shrub, no probing questions, no investigation, no,,,,,,.
The media is owned. It seems the the responsibility of the media to do investigative reporting and get the real picture for the public is gone.

I am not talking about the underground news sites only the
national sites/stations that the majority of people get
their news from.

that's what I mean when I use "mass" media.

The indy news and foreign sources are far more open and enlightening.

The "masses" are not equally exposed to such, sadly.

this morning while watching the parade. (We were watching it for the kids)

I can't stand Katie Couric anymore-and she is the least of them.

The mainstream media acted like John Kerry was a THREAT to our country. An interloper that dared to dream he was fit to be a leader, because we have such an outstanding specimen in the White House Right now. Why he saved us from 9/11 (no actually he did absolutely nothing while it happened and stonewalled as long as possible to find out why it happened) Afterwards though, he caught the guy responsible (no wait he's still at large) but at least we attacked the right country (oh oops on that) but HE did go into Afghanistan. (Did he finish that job and is the Taliban still around to fight another day..oh well nevermind!)

Kind of like a job interview when you have someone clearly incompetent, inept, possibly not mentally stable, and much of the company despises him, he's bad for profits and the company profile, and then you have this very worthy candidate for the job.

So what do you do.. find any way to tear down the applicant and make it seem like the guy on the job is doing just fine. ????????

All propaganda and outrageous lies. Any of us that stepped outside of it for a minute are stunned and amazed anyone acted like that or believed it. STILL.

Sorry you had your parade viewing interrupted by Katie's bad vibe. She is such a nasty little thing. Looks more and more like a lizard by the day; and her side-kick Matt. These people just put up a "For Sale" sign on their foreheads and sell their souls. It does show on their faces. If you want a real hoot and great commentary at the same time along these lines, see "They Live", the John Carpenter movie. It is just great and ahead of its time. Happy Turkey Day. I give thanks for fellow countrymen like you and your hubby!

It is the Corporation! And who do the corporations favor in overwhelming numbers? The repukes!! Puzzle solved.

Since we have to blame someone..not the repukes, not the media, not the black boxes, not blatant voter disenfranchisement...

Sorry, I realize I am new here, but I believe that we need to stop bashing John Kerry. He ran a good campaign. Did he make mistakes? Yes. But come on...

John Kerry is a descent, compassionate leader that has gone up against powerful forces in the past. There is no Skull and Bones conspiracy and he very much wants to be President.

The truth is, we have no idea what John Kerry's next move will be. I trust his judgment, and I believe that he will fight when the time is right.

There is virtually nothing he can do regarding challenging the voting processes except walk straight into a gigantic media meat grinder by talking about it publically. That would "lift us up?"

The thing I would like him to do would be to use the email list he has to keep us notified of the nasty stuff going down in Congress, exec branch and judiciary that the media will not be telling us about.

We need a shadow government, complete with Pres, cabinet officers and opposition Senators and Reps from our home states keeping the progressive viewpoint flowing and growing and the focus riveted on the evil doings of the GOP.

This "fold up your tent and shut up for four years" crap has just got to go. It's not a law - it's just a tradition. Traditions are chucked all the time. Now would be a good time to get rid of this one.

I wish he did what they are doing in the Ukraine--declared victory based on the exit polls. It might not have gotten him into the Whitehouse, but it would have forced the media to cover the voting irregularities. It would have fired up the Democrats instead of allowing us to become demoralized being told we lost because of moral issues.

expectation of corruption amongst the public at large for that to have worked without completely destroying his and the Democrat's reputation, that exists in the Ukraine but not in the US

Media loves confrontations, fights. Look at the media attention to Florida-2000 after the election until SCOTUS took the air out that story.

voting fraud

he was a fine candidate, ran a perfectly adequate campaign
AND HE WON!
what more do you want?
(well of course i could answer that question myself....)

Ohio isn't finished counting...how can Kerry do anything until it is...plus a lot of other things are starting to take shape...after Jan. 6th?...it's over ...one way or the other.