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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:24 PM
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Bush won in 2000 and 2004 by preventing blacks from voting.
In 2000 in Florida, the Republicans labelled blacks "supected felons" and told them they couldn't vote.
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=178&row=2


In 2004 in Ohio, the Republicans diverted voting-machines from black neighborhoods to white-neighborhoods, so blacks who couldn't wait in line for hours couldn't vote.
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/995


Two racist victories. Two illegitmate victories. One illegitimate "president."
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:32 PM
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1. I agree that....
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 05:33 PM by Viva_La_Revolution
blacks were a large portion of the peoples disenfranchised in these elections... but that is not the criteria used by the repugs. Heavily democratic areas. ie - heavily college age, heavily poor, heavily BLUE.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:36 PM
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2. The people disenfranchised were disproportionately black
both in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:47 PM
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3. why?
was it just easier in those places, people less likely to speak up? If we figure out the why, we can find ways to stop it.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:52 PM
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4. Republican Matt Damschroder, head of elections for
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 05:53 PM by Eric J in MN
Franklin County, Ohio, diverted voting machines from the city to the suburbs to prevent blacks from voting.


http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/983

In Franklin County, where Franklin County Board of Elections Director Matt Damschroder is also the former Executive Director of the county’s Republican Party, the county Board of Elections building looked like a bunker. Scores of city buses blocked parking spaces on the street outside, numerous concrete barricades surrounded the parking lot, and a metal detector was stationed at the only entrance. A phalanx of armed deputy sheriffs swarmed the only site where provisional voters could cast a guaranteed ballot.

The Columbus Dispatch confirmed an Election Day Free Press story that far fewer voting machines were present in predominantly black Democratic inner-city voting wards than in the recent primary election and the 2000 presidential election, with their lighter turnouts. The reduced number of machines caused voters to wait up to seven hours and wait an average of approximately three hours. One Republican Central Committee member told the Free Press that Damschroder held back as many as 2000 machines and dispersed many of the other machines to affluent suburbs in Franklin County.
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MarkusQ Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 12:00 AM
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19. Thanks for that link (n/t)
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 04:35 PM
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25. why? because black disenfranchisment is a time-honored
tradition in america. one that only a handful of people are concerned about. they do it because it works.
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:54 PM
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5. Jesse Jackson is jumping in...
according to a.p. at the Akron Beacon(subscription)

https://registration.ohio.com/reg/login.do?url=http://www.ohio.com%2Fmld%2Fbeaconjournal%2Fnews%2Fstate%2F10271874.htm

COLUMBUS, Ohio - The Rev. Jesse Jackson said he plans a Sunday rally in Columbus with ministers from around Ohio to call for an investigation of election irregularities in the state.

Jackson and his Rainbow/PUSH Coalition civil rights group want to call attention to the fact that votes in Ohio are still undergoing the official count, he said Thursday. Jackson also is questioning whether enough voting machines were provided in inner-city precincts and whether fraud could have occurred in counties that use electronic machines without paper records of ballots...
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:08 PM
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6. That's good. NT
NT
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:10 PM
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7. Jackson was on CNN on November 22nd and said nothing about fraud
and nothing about disenfranchisement! He just started to blame the Dems.....

Transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/22/ip.01.html

WOODRUFF: But he won fair and square. You're not challenging that, are you?

JACKSON: Well, won fair and square. That's just among counting the votes in Ohio but apart from that, the big deal here for Democrats, is when you run off the south, you run off -- it's economics, it's cultural identity and its theology. How does one tackle that issue? Fourteen million black votes, we pull our weight. For example, if Bill Clinton were to really pull Arkansas and Edwards were to pull North Carolina and Gore to pull Tennessee. If our White allies pull their weight, if labor convinced people to vote economic interests over cultural identity that coalition could be a winning coalition. I'm convinced that we must, in fact, take on the south economically, culturally and theologically.


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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:18 PM
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8. Apparently, Jesse Jackson changed his mind shortly
after that interview.

He then wrote an article about election reform I excerpted at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=77208&mesg_id=77208
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 07:04 PM
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14. And how many millions saw him on CNN,
and how many thousands read him?

That was his chance.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:32 PM
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17. Whoa! Hold on there, pardner. Jesse said, "Well, won fair and square"?
In other words, he did not say, "Well, he won fair and square." So basically Jesse was just repeating the phrase, as if turning it over in his mind before addressing the question of Judy Kneepads.

Damn, I hadn't caught that before.
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SomthingsGotaGive Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:26 PM
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9. shhhhhh..
It's BBV dummy.

Stick with the program

Stop wasting time on black votes that never count anyway.

Focus on suburban votes that might or might not have vanished into the ether.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 03:47 PM
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21. It's all of it
BBV is just one part of the fraud pie.

Going after this issue from the civil rights POV is a great idea. I'm glad that we are starting to see some action from the Dem leadership. This is just the opening gun.

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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:28 PM
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10. Bush is the most immoral creature on earth
I hesitate to call he or his follows humans at this point.
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rehema Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:34 PM
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11. Ohio Blacks Threatened with arrest if they owed child support
On California's "4the record" TV show shortly before the election, Former SF Mayor Willie Brown said he was told some Blacks were threatened with arrest if they showed up to vote. Brown said Blacks who owed child support would be arrested at the voting sites.

Shortly after the election I found a news headline "Two African Americans arrested at Voting site in Ohio" but the news article was no longer available when I clicked on the link.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:42 PM
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12. here is the incident
https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapCounty&tab=ALL&state=Ohio&county=Cuyahoga&cat=03&start_time=&start_date=&end_time=&end_date=&search=

041677 11/02/04, 1:11 PM PST Voter Intimidation Shaker Heights, Cuyahoga County, Ohio

Two African-American voters were arrested at the poling place before they had the opportunity to vote. Both had warrants out for their arrests. The challengers had designated them for their problems. The two individuals have been taken to the 5th Precient. 216-623-5500
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rehema Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:47 PM
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13. Thanks, Check Out this Article on Voter Suppression by Repubs
'U.S. News & World Report' in which Michigan State Rep. and Bush campaign official John Papageorge was quoted as saying that Republicans could lose the state "if we do not suppress the Detroit vote." Detroit has one of the highest concentrations of African Americans of any U.S. big city.

Over the weekend, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that the Ohio Republican party has already challenged the validity of over 35,000 new voter registrations in the state, while Wisconsin Republicans announced plans to initiative what it called "background checks" on newly registered voters. In addition, reports have surfaced of Republican plans to mount aggressive challenges against the credentials of voters in "urban areas" where minority voters are predominant.


http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/unitedstates/democracy/2655.html
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SomthingsGotaGive Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:02 PM
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15. kick
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 04:17 PM
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24. The most obvious thing they did that was not prevented...
They actually had the nerve to send KKK members, I mean challengers to predominately black precincts ONLY. If that's not in your face racism I don't know what is... It's also very easy to prove, why no one screaming about this is disturbing.


Jefferson County Republicans intend to place Election Day challengers at 59 voting precincts in predominantly black neighborhoods, a move that NAACP leaders yesterday called blatant intimidation.
http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2003/10/23ky/wir-front-votes1023-9144.html


Republican poll challengers will be allowed to observe predominantly black precincts in Tuesday's election after a judge turned down a request to block them.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/11/03/national1950EST0768.DTL



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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:29 PM
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16. I use the term "tainted" instead of "illegitimate"
It has a connotation that seems to stick in people's minds.

Remember the right wing called Clinton an illegitimate president, too.

Maybe someone can do a Blue Oyster Cult rendition called "Tainted vote."
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rosyhue Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 06:12 PM
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18. Harlem NY voting booths broke down
did anyone from the new york area see the news item on election night about the voting booths in Harlem breaking down? It was really disturbing to see.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 03:43 PM
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20. Documentation that voter suppression in Ohio and Florida cost election
That there was largescale systematic voter suppression of minority voters in 2000 in Florida and in at least Ohio and Florida in 2004 that cost the Dems hundreds of thousands of votes is well documented.

www.flcv.com/ohiov04.html
www.flcv.com/flavi04.html

and Votersunited.com web site
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 03:52 PM
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22. THIS is how we stop them -- "It's the racism, Stupid!"
Posted this on the Senator Blaster thread, but it is appropriate here:. See especially Action 2

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Highly recommend a reference to Solomon's Validate the Vote Op Ed in your letters (included at the end of this post).

I also recommend asking each Senator you contact to take the following two actions:

Action 1

Issue a statement calling upon each state to subject its election to independent audit to validate the results and investigate charges of discrimination. Good quote from the Op Ed:

No reasonable argument can be offered against disclosure and accountability. We can afford whatever expense, inconvenience, distraction and possible embarrassment may be caused by an election audit and congressional investigation. What we cannot afford are unresolved doubts about the legitimacy of our democratic government.


The audit must include an investigation into whether or not the voters in the state were given an equal opportunity to exercise their voting rights, regardless of racial, socio-economic, absentee, overseas, military or civilian, partisan, or whatever status.

<See the "What We Require" section of this declaration for thoughts about scope.>

Action 2

Issue a statement to put states on notice that you <the Senator> shall object to and vote to reject the Electoral Votes from any state that fails to validate its election. No matter what the margin of victory.

And further, because the results of a discriminatory election are unacceptable, you <the Senator> shall object to and vote to reject the Electoral Votes from any state that has failed to demonstrate that minority voters, poor voters, overseas voters, or voters from one or the other party were afforded an equal opportunity to exercise their voting rights (equal opportunity in qualifying/registering to vote, casting their vote, and having their vote counted).

Argument: If you allow the results of a discriminatory election to stand because the margin of victory is large, you are taking the position that election officials are free to discriminate to any degree so long as their state leans heavily for one candidate or the other. This is an Immoral, Un-American, and Unacceptable position. Electoral votes given pursuant to a discriminatory election are to be rejected. Period. There must be consequences.

See this document for talking points.

And, finally, if you send a snail mail letter, consider enclosing the We the People Do Not Concede flyer (filename=wedemandscrollparch.jpg). Email host@unioncountyfordemocracy.org if you have a problem downloading it or printing it.

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By Ian H. Solomon

November 26, 2004

MOST MAINSTREAM newspapers have already dismissed stories of voting fraud and voting rights violations in the November election as baseless or irrelevant. Sen. John Kerry's concession is supposed to demonstrate that there is no story here. Give up, go home, it's all over.

But it's not over.

The legitimacy of our democratic process is an issue more important than Mr. Kerry's future or the results of 2004. That legitimacy has been called into question repeatedly over the past few weeks, and doubts will linger as long as credible indications of error, negligence, disenfranchisement and fraud are not addressed.

We would like to believe that voting irregularities were identified and corrected, that participants fulfilled their duties appropriately, that the machines performed reliably and that the total discrepancy between voter intention and recorded results was less than the margin of victory in relevant contests.

But that conclusion must be reached on the basis of evidence, not blind faith. My own observations as a volunteer poll watcher in Florida do not give perfect confidence.

As many experts had warned, the electronic voting machines used across the country were vulnerable to glitches and possible tampering, including the over-recording of votes and the "disappearance" of valid votes.

We experienced a troubling number of memory card failures where I was based in Volusia County, for example, and we tried to minimize the disruption to voters even though data security was compromised. In Franklin County, Ohio, a machine error resulted in an extra 4,000 votes for President Bush. In Guilford County, N.C., a machine error cost Mr. Kerry 22,000 votes. Similar problems were experienced in Nebraska, Indiana and other states. These glitches that we know about have reportedly been fixed, though a re-vote is necessary in a different North Carolina county.

Disturbingly, several Web sites have demonstrated the ease of hacking into the AccuVote TS machines made by Diebold Election Systems, the company that for $2.6 million recently settled a lawsuit by California over voting machine problems. Another major manufacturer of electronic voting machines, Election Systems & Software, has also been subject to criticism for machine breakdowns and vulnerability. There is no evidence of fraud, but neither manufacturer has assuaged widespread concerns about inappropriate partisanship and unreliability.

There is also reason to question the competence of election officials in resolving registration and voting problems. Many voters were denied the opportunity to cast a regular ballot or to vote within a reasonable period of arriving at the polls.

At one heavily black precinct in Volusia County, for example, more than 10 percent of those turning out to vote were unable to cast a regular ballot. Many of these voters simply departed after waiting in line for several hours and then being told by poll workers that their provisional ballots "would not be counted." Knox County in Ohio reported voters waiting in line for over nine hours. In Warren County, Ohio, observers were barred from monitoring the vote-counting process.

How can we expect voters - especially young, disadvantaged or newly registered voters - to have faith in our voting system? How can we expect our allies to take seriously U.S. efforts to hold elections in Iraq and elsewhere? How can we be confident that the most fundamental principles of American democracy - one person, one vote; rule by the people; transparency in government - are not in jeopardy?

American legitimacy demands that the news media, the parties and all political leaders take seriously the challenges presented by the 2004 election: We need an audit of the election process, validation of the election results and corrective measures to ensure the legitimacy of future elections.

To begin with, that means supporting the audit efforts already under way. Recounts are expected in Ohio and New Hampshire, and election results may be contested in Florida, New Mexico and other states. Grass-roots organizations have requested voting data from precincts across the country, and scientists from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the University of California, Berkeley and other universities have begun to analyze surprising voting patterns.

This should be a priority for Congress, with vigilant participation by independent news organizations. The complete process - from registration through vote tallying, including all equipment and procedures - must be thoroughly and publicly assessed.

No reasonable argument can be offered against disclosure and accountability. We can afford whatever expense, inconvenience, distraction and possible embarrassment may be caused by an election audit and congressional investigation. What we cannot afford are unresolved doubts about the legitimacy of our democratic government.

Ian H. Solomon is associate dean of Yale Law School.

Copyright © 2004, The Baltimore Sun -- reproduced here for educational/information purposes.
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 03:52 PM
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23. You mean all we had to do is count the ballots at the back of the bus?
What a surprise! So much for times changing. :grr:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 05:05 PM
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26. it's true in Ohio.
I am so ashamed of the dirty tricks the us government allowed to be used. We canvassed those inner city neighborhood, promising what the campaign promised-that if they got out to vote, in they waited in those long lines. (Yes, 4-5 hours and in the cold rain! ) WE WOULD MAKE SURE EVERY VOTE COUNTED! I don't know about anyone else, but I intend on keeping my word to the people who persevered. This is a civil rights issue-equal justice under the law! The voting machine placement was definitely used to suppress the vote in high dem areas. If we do not address this issue-WE CAN'T LET IT FADE OUT INTO THE MASS MEDIA HOLIDAY HYPE!-Why will the disenfranchised come out and vote again? Every vote must count-anything else is unacceptable! If you are in OH please attend Jesse Jackson's Rally on Sunday. Also CaseOhio.org is hosting a FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY RALLY" on Dec 4 in Columbus. We need to get out and make our voices heard! Sorry, I'll step down from my soapbox now.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:03 PM
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29. Please post after the rally and let us know how it went NT
NT
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:16 PM
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27. test
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:32 PM
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28. Kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:06 PM
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30. kick
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paritom Donating Member (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:39 PM
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31. kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:42 PM
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32. Thanks for kicking
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:12 PM
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33. Kick
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:03 PM
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35. kick
kick
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:03 PM
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34. Another chapter in our history of bigotry - this time for the
opportunity to practice even more bigotry through the laws and statutes that are going to cdescend on this country if Bush prevails. This chapter also involves Hispanics.

The Republicans legacy will be a disaster if there is anything left of the country.

Hey, if Blacks were good enough to build the White House and be key in bringing us electric light, then they must not be good enough to vote. Makes sense by Republican standards. Will all contempt for the attempts to thieve, lie, and disenfranchise.
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Cowboy Joe2k Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:43 PM
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36. Maby true for 2000 But Bush won 04 By preventing any one
who used a paperless Ballot from voting. their votes were given to the "Super Voters" and there is the sepperation of the Classes.

The 14th Amendment has been Violated for all people Black and white. Indeed any one who used a paperless voting machine that can not be Audited are the people who have been disenfranchised.

The "Super Voters" are the people who decide the election. the Class who is Disenfracchised are the American People.

Black and white, Red and Green. It is to hard to prove one specific Skin Color has been discriminated against.

Please don't let Racism keep you so buisy chasing your tail that you forget to Put a Voter Verifyable Non-Partisan Auditing system in place by the next election.

"I have a dream,

that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right down in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today!"

Dr. Martin L. King Jr.


All American must come together to bring Democracy back to our nation and take our vote back from the "Super Voters".
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 06:10 PM
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37. I've been advocating verified-voting since
long before this election.

Congress didn't pass it, because Congressman Ney kept it in committee.

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