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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:09 PM
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DEAN AT YALE LAW SAYS: VALIDATE THE VOTE
I apologize for the length. If I don't post the entire article, you would have to register at the Baltimore Sun to be able to read it in its entirety -- and it is important. Please consider copying and sharing this with friends, media, politicians, groups...

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Validate the vote
An OpEd by Ian H. Solomon, Associate Dean of Yale Law School.
Copyright (c) 2004, The Baltimore Sun
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November 26, 2004

Most mainstream newspapers have already dismissed stories of voting fraud and voting rights violations in the November election as baseless or irrelevant. Sen. John Kerry's concession is supposed to demonstrate that there is no story here. Give up, go home, it's all over.

But it's not over.

The legitimacy of our democratic process is an issue more important than Mr. Kerry's future or the results of 2004. That legitimacy has been called into question repeatedly over the past few weeks, and doubts will linger as long as credible indications of error, negligence, disenfranchisement and fraud are not addressed.

We would like to believe that voting irregularities were identified and corrected, that participants fulfilled their duties appropriately, that the machines performed reliably and that the total discrepancy between voter intention and recorded results was less than the margin of victory in relevant contests.

But that conclusion must be reached on the basis of evidence, not blind faith. My own observations as a volunteer poll watcher in Florida do not give perfect confidence.

As many experts had warned, the electronic voting machines used across the country were vulnerable to glitches and possible tampering, including the over-recording of votes and the "disappearance" of valid votes.

We experienced a troubling number of memory card failures where I was based in Volusia County, for example, and we tried to minimize the disruption to voters even though data security was compromised. In Franklin County, Ohio, a machine error resulted in an extra 4,000 votes for President Bush. In Guilford County, N.C., a machine error cost Mr. Kerry 22,000 votes. Similar problems were experienced in Nebraska, Indiana and other states. These glitches that we know about have reportedly been fixed, though a re-vote is necessary in a different North Carolina county.

Disturbingly, several Web sites have demonstrated the ease of hacking into the AccuVote TS machines made by Diebold Election Systems, the company that for $2.6 million recently settled a lawsuit by California over voting machine problems. Another major manufacturer of electronic voting machines, Election Systems & Software, has also been subject to criticism for machine breakdowns and vulnerability. There is no evidence of fraud, but neither manufacturer has assuaged widespread concerns about inappropriate partisanship and unreliability.

There is also reason to question the competence of election officials in resolving registration and voting problems. Many voters were denied the opportunity to cast a regular ballot or to vote within a reasonable period of arriving at the polls.

At one heavily black precinct in Volusia County, for example, more than 10 percent of those turning out to vote were unable to cast a regular ballot. Many of these voters simply departed after waiting in line for several hours and then being told by poll workers that their provisional ballots "would not be counted." Knox County in Ohio reported voters waiting in line for over nine hours. In Warren County, Ohio, observers were barred from monitoring the vote-counting process.

How can we expect voters - especially young, disadvantaged or newly registered voters - to have faith in our voting system? How can we expect our allies to take seriously U.S. efforts to hold elections in Iraq and elsewhere? How can we be confident that the most fundamental principles of American democracy - one person, one vote; rule by the people; transparency in government - are not in jeopardy?

American legitimacy demands that the news media, the parties and all political leaders take seriously the challenges presented by the 2004 election: We need an audit of the election process, validation of the election results and corrective measures to ensure the legitimacy of future elections.

To begin with, that means supporting the audit efforts already under way. Recounts are expected in Ohio and New Hampshire, and election results may be contested in Florida, New Mexico and other states. Grass-roots organizations have requested voting data from precincts across the country, and scientists from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the University of California, Berkeley and other universities have begun to analyze surprising voting patterns.

This should be a priority for Congress, with vigilant participation by independent news organizations. The complete process - from registration through vote tallying, including all equipment and procedures - must be thoroughly and publicly assessed.

No reasonable argument can be offered against disclosure and accountability. We can afford whatever expense, inconvenience, distraction and possible embarrassment may be caused by an election audit and congressional investigation. What we cannot afford are unresolved doubts about the legitimacy of our democratic government.

Ian H. Solomon is associate dean of Yale Law School.

Copyright (c) 2004, The Baltimore Sun

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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:20 PM
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1. Wow.
Thanks for the link. I appreciate him speaking up.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:57 PM
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15. ian solomon a man and championto our democracy!
this man is wonderful and wrote another article which was picked up on the internet out of connecticut..i wrote him after the first article and he wrote me back..this is a bit of my letter and his reply... wonderful man who is willing to stand up and fight with those of us fighting for our nation and democracy!! fly


reply from mr solomon to my letter to him:

Thank you for your heartfelt letter, and, more importantly, for your important work as a poll watcher in Florida. Let's keep the pressure

on so that this story does not fade away. Voting rights and democracy are too important. Keep up the good work.

All best,

Ian

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
brief excerpt of my letter to mr solomon!!fly

At 08:56 PM 11/14/2004 -0500, you wrote:

Dear Mr. Solomon,

First i want to thank you for coming to Florida to help us down here with the poll watching!
I was a poll watcher -at -large for Pinellas county, for early voting for 2weeks and the general election.
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flamin blue state Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:30 PM
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48. The Subject line is confusing!
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seaveggie Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:31 PM
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2. A great link for skeptical friends
Thanks for posting this, it really sums things up in a clear, precise, level-headed way. Seems like one of the best of the pitifully few MSM stories on this thus far. A good story to send around.

Great post!
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Meritaten1 Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:37 PM
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3. Thanks for the post
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:44 PM
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4. Reading this made me cry !
Will anyone listen!! Democracy is hanging on the edge and this Republican Party is pulling the last fingers from our grip. We have to hang on and yell LOUDER. Please help Senator Kerry!
The DU has kept me hopeful but I fear it's not enough. We can't let another election push us further into the abyss.
Sorry, I'm just so sad this Thanksgiving. Right Wing in-laws got me down. :(
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:16 PM
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8. Never lose hope
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 08:16 PM by seito
Just because you do not see it or hear it does not mean that it is not there.

If I had to place my trust in any politician right now it would be John Kerry. He has been a champion for the people, and he will not abandon this fight.

Let us not forget the tremendous grassroots movement that was started in the past several years that is hard at work today. We will take back our country. "You watch"

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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 09:51 PM
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14. That is how I feel. I am just going crazy with disbelief that
there seems to be no recourse and that they are getting away with this.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:54 PM
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5. Legitimacy of elections?
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 07:55 PM by teryang
What's that?

Just kidding, legitimacy is a big word that most people in the Congress, state legislatures and the media just don't seem to know.

At least that's what they've been pretending for four years. But they know what it is when they don't see it in Ukraine.
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cynthia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:09 PM
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6. thanks
have sent it on.

We need to keep up the chatter on this.

Ukraine is not the only election that lacks integrity!!!
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:15 PM
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7. The first link to the Baltimore Sun Op-Ed
seems to have expired. Here's one that works: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.election26nov26,1,4103824.story (The registration required is FREE). THANKS for posting it.

pnorman
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:17 PM
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9. We must ALL help Prof Solomon...
In his effort to Change the FRAME.


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dewaldd Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:19 PM
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10. I don't think he knows what happened to Bev in Volusia county
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 09:27 PM
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11. On the same day there was another op/ed in that issue ...
Recount in Ohio
Jules Witcover
Originally published Nov 26, 2004

Jules Witcover

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WASHINGTON - The presidential election is over and Sen. John Kerry has conceded defeat, but the wheels are nevertheless in motion in Ohio for a recount in the state that put President Bush over the top.
The recount is being pressed even though the Kerry campaign has no hope or expectation of reversing the result. As of election night, the president carried Ohio by more than enough to avoid a mandatory retabulating of the votes.

The tally gave Mr. Bush 51.1 percent to Mr. Kerry's 48.5 percent, far in excess of the one-quarter of 1 percent winning margin that under state law would require a recount. But the law also stipulates that any bona fide candidate may trigger one by requesting it and putting up the necessary funds, at $10 a precinct, to pay for it in each of the state's 11,360 precincts in 88 counties.

Enter David Cobb, the also-ran nominee of the Green Party, and Michael Badnarik, the certified standard-bearer of the Libertarian Party. Together, their supporters have raised more than the $113,600 required. They have petitioned Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, who also happened to be a co-chairman of the Bush campaign in the state, to order the recount.

Before it can take place, however, the actual statewide vote count, including all accepted provisional ballots, must be tallied. According to James Lee, of Mr. Blackwell's office, his boss under Ohio law has until Dec. 3 to certify the outcome, at which time he can then start the recount. Elected members of the Electoral College are to meet Dec. 13 in their various states, but the new Congress will not convene to receive and verify the results until Jan. 6.

....more
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.witcover26nov26,0,1404210.column?coll=bal-oped-headlines
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 09:28 PM
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12. The link didn't paste right so here it is,,,
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:25 PM
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17. Thanks for this!
I posted it over on the "Backlast cometh: Mainstream Media Coverage" thread...

:hi:

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delphine Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 09:45 PM
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13. This is what I want to tell John Kerry . . .
"No reasonable argument can be offered against disclosure and accountability. We can afford whatever expense, inconvenience, distraction and possible embarrassment may be caused by an election audit and congressional investigation. What we cannot afford are unresolved doubts about the legitimacy of our democratic government."

AMEN

Whatever political hit or loss of capital or "turmoil" might be caused by insisting the votes be counted, by using his clout as a candidate in the race with at least a possibility of benefitting from a recount, it is WORTH IT.

Democracy in the U.S. has been messy and uncomfortable and full of turmoil and embarrassing and exhilarating and inspiring and exhausting since the first Continental Congress.

Now, especially NOW!, when slaughter is being perpetrated upon innocents in Iraq, the very essence of democracy (separation of powers/checks and balances, the voice of the people, accountability)under grave assault and being replaced by a one party system, laws which can seriously affect our lives being passed by stealth and hidden in huge omnibus bills, our economic future and our environment being ruined and our kids to pay the price, and the rest of the world a powderkeg because of our policies - - -

No measly "turmoil" or personal embarrassment that might be caused by insisting the votes be counted is sufficient excuse not to do so.

No excuse at all.

Upwards of 58 million people voted for John F. Kerry (that we have been able to count properly - about a week ago it was over 57 million according to the man himself).

I don't care if 3 million or 30 million more voted for the other guy. Kerry is the one the opposition chose to represent us. That makes it his responsibility to lead a meaningful opposition, and the first order of business is to pull out all stops in getting every fricken vote counted and holding up the election (call Ukraine - maybe that guy can give you some pointers) until we can be sure the outcome is clean/clear.

Rant over.

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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:11 PM
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16. very nice, thanks n/t
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:26 PM
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18. Kick
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:59 PM
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19. We need to get this circulated around - send it eveywhere you can
This is the type of logical, reasonable, non-partisan thinking that we need to help us get the word out. Not only is it from a credible, legal expert, but also it appeared in a major, mainstream newspaper. Finally!!! Worth passing and sending a thank you note to the Baltimore Sun...
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:04 AM
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20. Thank you for the complete post.
KIck.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:32 AM
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21. Kick
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:32 AM
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22. Kick
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:09 AM
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:14 PM
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25. Kick
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:18 PM
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24. No reasonable argument can be offered against disclosure & accountability.
The last sentence sums it up. Love the article.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:28 PM
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:39 PM
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:45 PM
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28. Kick
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:56 PM
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29. kick
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:59 PM
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30. Some additional commentary related to this article...
...can be found at:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/26/21262/464

Peace.

"Halt and Audit"
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:04 PM
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31. I agree Dean - Validate the vote
You say my E-vote was counted as I intended it - PROVE IT! I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU!
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:31 PM
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32. The Dean at Yale is very wise.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:56 PM
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33. kick
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crowsong Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:06 PM
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34. Kick
"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." -George Orwell
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:08 PM
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:32 PM
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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:57 PM
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:28 PM
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:56 PM
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:08 PM
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:23 PM
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41. Textpatriot...
Thanks for the :kick:

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:26 PM
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42. The Dean is correct.
"Validate the Vote" ...
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 08:55 AM
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:33 AM
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:55 PM
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 02:39 PM
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:15 PM
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:18 PM
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49. Let's get this guy on Olbermann...
...email KOlbermann@msnbc.com

He would make a great spokesperson for taking audits & recounts seriously.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:42 AM
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50. Judge to rule Tuesday on part of challenge to Bush victory in Nevada
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/11/29/state1956EST0121.DTL

Judge to rule Tuesday on part of challenge to Bush victory in Nevada

SCOTT SONNER, Associated Press Writer
Monday, November 29, 2004

-snip-
A judge intends to decide Tuesday whether to allow a legal
challenge to move forward aimed at blocking Nevada's five
electoral votes from being cast next month for President
Bush.

Washoe County District Judge Peter Breen said Monday he's
considering setting an evidentiary hearing to determine
whether there are grounds to keep the votes from Bush -- who
carried Nevada by 21,500 votes -- due to allegations of voter
registration fraud and claims some voting machines
malfunctioned.

-snip-
"President Bush is claiming he has a mandate and included in
that is that the state of Nevada stood behind him. Even if
Nevada's five electoral votes will not change the election, it
does have an impact on whether Nevada is part of that
mandate," Dickerson said.

`If there are disenfranchised voters who were illegally
disenfranchised ... then those voters are not having their
will voiced," he said.
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