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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:55 PM
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Kerry's Silence Indicates Complicity With Vote Fraud
Go to JohnKerry.com and you will find absolutely nothing about the mounting evidence of vote fraud-why? There is no mention of the official voting receipts found in the garbage, or about the vote suppression in Ohio, or about the GAO starting an investigation into the 57,000 reported cases of voting "irregularities" nationwide. Great read, full text @ http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4535
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:59 PM
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1. There are those
who might say that Kerry's whole campaign was of a collusive nature, was designed from the first to fail, and did so .......some might say.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:59 PM
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2. It's a campaign website, not a post-election website NT
NT
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:01 PM
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3. Thank you!
But be prepared to be grilled by the delusional on DU who think Senator Roll Over is working 'behind the scenes' to expose fraud.

Kerry is laughing at them.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:12 PM
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14. We don't know that there is nothing going on under the radar. If
Kerry contested the race the media would be all over it--SOUR GRAPES would be the headlines. If there is anything going on it could be curbed by the media if they knew.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:21 PM
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19. Kerry contested the race the media would be all over it--SOUR GRAPES
So what? Who cares what those corporate whores say? You don't hear the opposition in the Ukraine keeping his mouth shut and he may have been poisoned! If these people don't get off their butts and do something it will be their fault when this country tanks! It takes ONE to lead a revolution, like in the Ukraine.
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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:46 PM
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29. Kerry and the DNC need to take on the media.....
Start exposing it as a just as big of a fraud as the election.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 06:43 PM
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50. "Senator Roll Over" is such a freeper state of mind
Is that you, Karl?

:eyes:

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Blue in the face Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:02 PM
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Haven't we been over this already?
I don't know John Kerry personally, so I can't speak for him personally. But do you really believe the 20 year Senator who started out as a prosecutor would risk his reputation and the potential to break this issue wide open by babbling about it all over the internet and media?

I know it's hard to be patient. I turn on the TV and race to my computer every day to see if anything has broken yet. But until there is solid, substantiated proof, Kerry does nothing by publicizing this.

Keep a positive mind, donate to the investigators and groups that are leading the recount effort, write letters to the editor and email your friends and keep your fingers crossed.

We've got a long ways to go before this is all over.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:03 PM
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46. Good post, Blue...
patience is in short supply here at DU. :)
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 06:30 PM
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48. Patience is a virgin.
You know what I mean.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:02 PM
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4. there is a contact form on there to report voting probs/irregularities
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 01:03 PM by Faye
if you click on 'contact', there is a form where voters can report supression, intmidation, machine glitches, etc etc that i don't recall being there a week or so ago.
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:17 PM
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18. Thanks, Faye!
Does anybody know if this has been there? I didn't see it before, but I don't know if I clicked on "contact us" before.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:55 PM
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31. It's been there all along, I used it day after election
When Kerry conceded, I used it to express my dismay.
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jbond56 Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:03 PM
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5. Evidence Building
Kerry would make a better president. Evidently he is waiting for evidence before making a preemptive attack.

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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:09 PM
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8. Why should Kerry make himself out
to be a believer in conspiracy theories until there is hard evidence?
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jbond56 Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:11 PM
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12. exactly n/t
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 01:12 PM by jbond56
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:40 PM
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26. You are right.
Do we really think he is going to go running around talking about people with foreign accents tampering with election machinery, etc..? He'll come out when he has a good case and I think that is the right thing to do.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:04 PM
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6. Johnny K is a bonesman, so the Hegelian power elite scam is a possibility.
I am keeping an open mind to see how the election fraud investigations play out, however, as I am still drinking the Kerry kool aide for the time being. The effects would wear off immediately if my cynicism is in the least bit supported by upcoming events.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:05 PM
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7. Beg to differ, would not infer complicity of voter fraud to Kerry,
that is too broad of an inference under the vapor of very little eveidence. I would say that Kerry has not been out front fighting/leading on this issue and that is reflected in his media silence. That is a political leadership issue and does not necessarily mean fraud complicity.

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:10 PM
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9. Your perception is not correct!

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200 ...
<snip>
When asked why it was him, not the Democratic presidential candidate, who is demanding an investigation and recount, Jackson implied that Sen. John Kerry could become more vocal soon about an investigation on the Ohio vote or a statewide recount.

"Kerry was inclined to believe what he was told, and he was told the election was over," Jackson told a group of reporters in a conference call Saturday afternoon. "But now we're unearthing information that did not surface at first. I suppose the more information Kerry gets, the more you will hear from him."


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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:11 PM
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11. I guess we will hear from him after Bush is
inaugurated or something?
LOL.
The time is running out to challenge any results.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:14 PM
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15. Would you like some cheese with your whine?
:boring:
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:27 PM
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21. OMG LOL
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:02 PM
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32. We won't hear from Kerry
at least not until around 2007 or so when he'll start making crazy speeches and bursting blood vessels like that other wimp, Al Gore, who didn't fight like a real man for Americans. Too afraid of the Bush Organized Crime Family.

Cowards deserve to remembered as such in history.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:04 PM
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33. maybe you should do it then
stand up like a real man (or woman) and speak out against the Bush Crime Family. Change the world. Bring us our democracy back. I have confidence that you can you do it.
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:11 PM
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40. I've been speaking against the Bush Crime Family
on DU alone more efficiently than Kerry has, for months now.

I am not afraid to call them for what they are, unlike Senator Roll Over.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:22 PM
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35. It might be good to remember that he fought against BCCI, so what you
are saying doesn't make sense in that context. Not wanting to make a bunch of unsubstantiated claims is a more likely explanation for the silence.
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:16 PM
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43. bunch of unsubstantiated claims???
even the hackers are confessing to the crime, that they got paid $29 million to steal for Bush, what else does Senator Roll Over need as evidence??
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shuffnew Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:11 PM
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10. great article... scary, but true....
The article on bellaciao.org is very good (and true)- well written to the point of truth - wake up everyone!

However (re: you post's 'subject line'), I am not in any way convinced that Kerry's "silence" means he has gone to sleep. He has never done this in his life time -- in fact, quite the opposite... has made many personal sacrifices to bring out the TRUTH to help America and Americans when no other politician has had the guts to do so. His seeming silence at this time is more likely a necessary part of the investigation strategy (IMHO).
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stella2cat Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:12 PM
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13. oh balderdash! n/t
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:16 PM
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16. The only way this country is going to make it is by facing the truth
Whatever that may be. Denial is a luxury none of us can afford any more. To stay in denial makes us vulnerable to whatever realities lay ahead.

If this is the truth, then we need to figure out how to mobilize and get nationwide election reform efforts going NOW.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:17 PM
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17. Some People Say Saddam's Insistence He has No WMDs means he has them
which I give as much weight as your analysis.
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donhakman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:25 PM
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20. NO mention of Kerry's complicity there
but the consequences of Kerry charging the vote count is invalid would have been a rallying cry.
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:27 PM
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22. The complicity they are infering
has more to do with the holding back of campaign funds IMHO
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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:30 PM
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23. Your post indicates you need to read this
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:30 PM
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24. You people are like termites coming out of the woodwork.
Stop with the incessant Kerry bashing.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:32 PM
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25. yes, and it's all too timely.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:42 PM
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28. exactly /eom
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:42 PM
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27. another freeper trying to squeeze in our pants!!!
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:13 PM
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42. do you call everyone you don't agree with a freeper?
grow up.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:46 PM
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30. I vowed not to kick this type of thread but...
Copied from another thread in reference to Jesse Jackson...

When asked why it was him, not the Democratic presidential candidate, who is demanding an investigation and recount, Jackson implied that Sen. John Kerry could become more vocal soon about an investigation on the Ohio vote or a statewide recount.

"Kerry was inclined to believe what he was told, and he was told the election was over," Jackson told a group of reporters in a conference call Saturday afternoon. "But now we're unearthing information that did not surface at first. I suppose the more information Kerry gets, the more you will hear from him."


Hmmmm...

:think:





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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:10 PM
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i was right all along...
The Skull and Bones Shadowbox of 2004.

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HR_Pufnstuf Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:10 PM
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34. ...
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 02:10 PM by HR_Pufnstuf
...

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liberal al zib Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:26 PM
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36. You think so?!
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:30 PM
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37. The future holds many answers
So i'll just say, we shall see
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:40 PM
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38. don't think for one moment kerry is not doing stuff!!
do not think for one moment kerry isnt behind the scenes doing everything to nail this fraud down..if you think that you know nothing about the man!! kerry has taken on these bushits before, and never backed down, what makes you think he is now?? because he is quiet about it?? because he is building his case out of the public eye?? don't be fooled by the brilliant john f kerry!! He is not the fool the clown in the White House is, not is he fooled how cunning and dangerous rove and cheney are!! No one knows this cast of characters better than jfk!! just because he has left us out of the loop does not mean everything kerry has trained his whole life for has to be on public display..no good prosecuter presents their case until they have it nailed down and the produce it like good theater!! there will be no mistake by kerry on this one..if he has the goods we will find out soon, if he can't nail it without holes he will be unstoppable until he plugs every hole..and takes this bush cartel down!! remember..kerry is a fighter..but a very smart one!!..jesse jackson was at the convention by kerrys side..dont for one moment think this hasn't been well orchestrated!! fly
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crowsong Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:46 PM
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39. new link on Kerry web page for donating to "post election day battles"

What about this?
"Contributing to the Kerry-Edwards 2004 General Election Legal and Accounting Compliance Fund (GELAC) provides important support for our campaign. The Federal Election Commission has just granted our request to raise funds now to cover recount expenses. Your contribution to Kerry-Edwards 2004 GELAC will provide the resources to make sure we are prepared to win the post election day battles."
https://contribute.johnkerry.com/gelac.html?team=4617
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:12 PM
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41. Yoo! Hoo! Read this!
Kerry Supports Ohio Vote Investigation, Jackson says
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/94...
by Steven Rosenfeld
November 28, 2004

John Kerry supports a “full investigation” into voting irregularities in Ohio, Rev. Jesse Jackson said Saturday, during a teleconference with media regarding a recount and legal challenge of the Nov. 2 vote.

“John Kerry supports a full investigation,” Jackson said. He recently spoke with the Democratic presidential nominee and reported that Kerry said he conceded the race on the morning after Election Day because “originally, he was inclined to believe what he was told” about the results. On Wednesday, Nov. 3, Kerry said there was little chance he could close George W. Bush’s 130,000-vote lead with the uncounted provisional and absentee ballots.

Jackson’s brief remarks may be the first that shed some light on Kerry’s fast concession – a decision many supporters felt was too hasty. Jackson will be in Ohio today, Sunday, Nov. 28, to declare his support for a recount of the Ohio vote and for a broader investigation into voting patterns that he said were “suspicious” and could have given votes to Bush that he did not earn.

“We want to look at the exit polls,” Jackson said, referring to at least two non-partisan Election Day polls, by Zogby and CNN, which gave Kerry 53 percent and 51 percent of the vote, respectively. “We don’t want to be presumptuous, but these numbers in the Butler, Clarmont, Warren and Hamilton counties are suspicious.”

By suspicious, Jackson is referring to the latest analysis of the Nov. 2 vote by a coalition of Ohio voting rights activists. In analyzing the still-unofficial results, the totals reveal that C. Ellen Connally, an African-American Democratic candidate from Cleveland for Ohio Chief Justice, received more than 257,000 votes than Kerry.

In Butler County, for example, Connally had 45,457 more votes than Kerry. The reason these vote counts are suspect is because Connelly, a retired African-American judge, was vastly outspent in her race, and did not have the visibility of the presidential race. Thus for a more obscure Democratic candidate, farther down on the ticket, to get a quarter of a million more votes statewide than Kerry, suggests something happened to suggest there may have been a transfer of Kerry votes to Bush.

“This looks like a computer glitch or a computer fix,” said Bob Fitrakis, a lawyer, political scientist and Editor of the Columbus Free Press (http://freepres.org ) who has written about election irregularities since Bush was declared the winner. Fitrakis is among the team of lawyers who announced they would soon file an election challenge in the state’s Supreme Court.

“Statistically, Kerry, as the Democratic presidential candidate, should have more votes than Connally. In a presidential election, most voters have the priority of casting a vote for president and the votes for president are almost always much higher than those of candidates farther down the ticket. When voters vote for Democratic candidates farther down the ticket, it is usually being driven by a sample ballot from the Party, starting at the top with president. Many voters simply don’t vote for Supreme Court justices. It is highly improbable that Connally’s vote totals would be so much higher than Kerry’s,” Fitrakis said.

The fact that Warren County has such odd vote counts is no surprise to Fitrakis. “The Republican-dominated county threw out all the media and independent vote watchers when votes were being counted at the end of Election Day, claiming ‘homeland security’ issues. This would have easily allowed for the wholesale shifting of a large amount of votes from Kerry to Bush. If you’re behind closed doors, it is easy enough to do. The November issues of Popular Science and Popular Mechanics magazines show how easy it is to hack the vote and steal an election. The articles are called ‘E-vote emergency: And you thought dimpled chads were bad’ and ‘Could hackers tilt the election?’ I think they did,” explained Fitrakis.

Fitrakis said that when one looks at the Connally-Kerry results across the state, it becomes clear that Connally – who was on the Ohio Democratic Party sample ballots – was getting tens of thousands of votes in counties that were known to be Republican strongholds, until this year’s unprecedented voter registration and mobilization efforts.

There were 15 Ohio counties where Connally’s margin was 5,000 votes or more better than Kerry’s unofficial results. In five counties, Connally had a 10,000-vote margin or better. These counties used punch card, optical scan, and touch screen voting machines – with most using punch card systems.

This analysis is merely the latest that has been uncovered about how Ohio’s Nov. 2 vote was tilted toward Bush. Immediately after the election, there were reports that the number of voting machines brought to the state’s urban, Democratic-leaning precincts was deliberately shorted. There were numerous sworn statements from voters in urban areas that the voter rolls were old and out-of-date, forcing voters, many registered for years, to use provisional ballots – which get counted last or do not get counted at all unless the voter was in the right precinct. Voters also testified under oath about machines malfunctioning and recording votes for Bush when people believed they had selected Kerry.

All of these trends – plus the fact that the Bush victory did not jibe with at least two non-partisan exit polls taken on Election Day in Ohio – are behind Jesse Jackson’s trip to the state today, Sunday, Nov. 28.

Jackson will visit Columbus and Cincinnati to meet with voters, civil rights activists, ministers and others who are working for a full accounting of the Ohio presidential vote. Jackson said he hoped to coordinate these activities and his organization, Rainbow-PUSH, would join litigation seeking to challenge Bush’s alleged victory at the state Supreme Court.

Jackson also joined the call by many, from Common Cause to the Green and Libertarian Parties, for Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell to recuse himself from tallying the state’s presidential election result, because he was co-chair of the Bush-Cheney re-election team in Ohio.

“We need to investigate, coordinate, litigate, recount and recuse," he said, referring to the legitimacy of the Ohio vote. “Mr. Blackwell cannot be both the owner of the team and the umpire.”

--
Steven Rosenfeld is senior producer of The Laura Flanders Show on Air America Radio.


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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:18 PM
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44. Curious about your name -
Why did you choose to be called "righteous1"?
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:26 PM
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47. I take it
you don't approve
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:19 PM
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45. It makes sense to stay quiet about fraud while a case is built...
...besides ...
which of the RPNs (Republican Propaganda Networks) would provide coverage anyway?

The DeLay Team of door pounders can't pound. Wolf and all the others can't ridicule, snear, roll their eyes and overfill their shows with Republican operatives who would get the follower-swallowers on their side. The press is not hanging out around Rove's garbage can waiting for a declaration of innocense and put down. The Secretaries of States are in their holes trying to control (cover-up) the situation rather than on camera also ridiculing Kerry.

Why can't this be a citizens effort while a case is made.


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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 06:34 PM
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49. I don't see complicity at all? A good lawyer never puts his
evidence on the line in such a way as to leak it to this obviously biased media outlets..its a good way to give the defendent enough time to hang himself by allowing him to feel safre...

Leave it to the judge to decide, I believe you should rethink your case..
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