Be very careful reporting---The Free Press article is WRONG!!!

This article in the Free Press http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/944

says that Kerry received fewer votes than the democratic candidate for Supreme Court Justice. This is plain WRONG. I checked the numbers at http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/ None of the numbers in the article make any sense.


Check EVERYTHING before you report it or pass it on. They want to discredit us, and they will do so with tantalizing memos and numbers. Just like the did with Dan Rather's memo.

but it could just be one site is more updated than the other. someone needs to look into it and find out the facts.

i'm not sure on this, but i dont' think the provisionals have been even added to any of that....but i could be wrong

extra ~ 4,000 Bush votes in Gahana from the totals.
Definetly does not include any provisional ballots either.

yeah, i didn't go over the numbers that thoroughly, but they look pretty benign upon inspection.

The following counties show more votes for Connally than John F. Kerry.

County C. Ellen Connally John F. Kerry
Auglaize 7,312 5,729
Brown 7,407 7,058
Butler 59,532 54,185
Clermont 29,464 25,318
Darke 8,817 7,663
Highland 6,119 6,012
Mercer 6,607 4,924
Miami 17,206 17,039
Putnam 4,785 4,348
Shelby 7,830 6,337
Van Wert 4,497 4,026
Warren 27,812 25,399

PM Dwald Original poster. He is discrediting this everywhere, It is also in the Cinncinnati Inquirer. It is NOT wrong

I agree. It looks right to me. The essay is just way too detailed (listing exactly 15 counties where Connally got more votes than Kerry) to be pure conjecture. Looks like a good story. And it's big!.

Someone with a lot of credibility here should start a new thread with this essay. Then we should keep the new one kicked.

-Laelth

posting it everyone! And BTW remember to edit it to four paragraphs! I didn't and was warned. My bad. Please kick it everywhere you see it And send it to Olberman!:) :) :bounce:

Go check out the numbers on Blackwell's site. See for yourself before attacking me.

The numbers on that site HAVE NOT been updated. What is so hard to understand about that?

chill out. no one is attacking you, they are just presenting evidence that doesn't agree with your analysis. i don't think it's personal.

a personal message would be a way to bring this up with you one-on-one rather than publicly.

I think one of the funniest things I've seen on DU yet is something thinking that PM is an attack! LOL Too funny

:)

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/county.003.html
County Bush Kerry Nader
Butler 106,735 54,185 0
Clermont 61,694 25,318 0
Hamilton 215,639 190,956 0
Warren 66,523 25,399 0


Warren
http://www.co.warren.oh.us/bdelec/voting_results_publish_dynamic.htm
FOR CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT 1-1 *
FULL TERM COMMENCING 1/1/05
C. ELLEN CONNALLY 28,470
THOMAS J. MOYER 44,961


butler
http://www.butlercountyelections.org/LiveResults/data/results.txt
JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT
FULL TERM COMMENCING 1-1-05
C. ELLEN CONNALLY . . . . . . . 61,559
THOMAS J. MOYER . . . . . . . . 68,407

I think it is true that Kerry votes > Connaly votes, but you may have misplaced your commas 4,500 rather than 45,000? Alternatively we are missing something that is not evident from the election site. Could you please let us know?

Here's a link for 2004 results in New Mexico:

http://65.160.159.96/County0.htm

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
JOHN F. KERRY and JOHN EDWARDS Democratic 370930 49.0%
GEORGE W. BUSH and DICK CHENEY Republican 376958 49.8%
DAVID COBB and PATRICIA LaMARCHE Green 1226 0.2%
MICHAEL PEROUTKA and DR. CHUCK BALDWIN Constitution 767 0.1%
MICHAEL BADNARIK and RICHARD V. CAMPAGNA Libertarian 2380 0.3%
RALPH NADER and PETER MIGUEL CAMEJO Independent 4043 0.5%
UNITED STATES REPRESENTATIVE - DISTRICT 1
RICHARD M. ROMERO Democratic 123483 45.5%
HEATHER A. WILSON Republican 147572 54.4%
ORLIN G. COLE (Write-In) Republican 242 0.1%
UNITED STATES REPRESENTATIVE - DISTRICT 2
GARY K. KING Democratic 86169 39.8%
STEVE PEARCE Republican 130410 60.2%
UNITED STATES REPRESENTATIVE - DISTRICT 3
TOM UDALL Democratic 175269 68.7%
GREGORY M. TUCKER Republican 79935 31.3%
JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT
EDWARD L. CHAVEZ Democratic 415049 57.6%
NED S. FULLER Republican 305172 42.4%
JUDGE OF THE COURT OF APPEALS
MICHAEL E. VIGIL Democratic 405044 56.3%
PAUL D. BARBER Republican 314077 43.7%


The numbers show that the Democratic State Supreme Court Justice got 415,000 votes, adn the Democratic candidate to the state court of appeals got 405,000 votes! Meanwhile Kerry only got 370,000 votes.

There were about 756,000 votes cast in the Presidential election in NM in 2004, and about 720,000 in the Supreme Court contest, and about 719,000 in the State Appeals Court contest.

NOW I see that you were talking about Ohio, and not New Mexico.

Thanks!

The site you cite (hee hee) above has a different address than the one I'm using:

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/11-02-04.htm

I know mine is the official SoS site... could yours be a decoy site or something? Something completely different?

I'm not sure about the numbers. Take one from one site and compare it to the other.

This is really odd.

PS: I know Bob Fitrakis and while he might get something wrong he is a very, very left-leaning person, as is Wasserman. I'm not saying they couldn't have gotten their figures wrong, though... just that their intentions were honorable.

I'm going to PM this message to you, too.

The article was written by Steven Rosenfeld, not Fitrakis. Fitrakis is the editor.

I can barely keep my eyes open anymore. I've been glued to my computer, up until 3 AM every night, it seems like since the election. I've read so many things... they're all starting to smear together in my head.

I don't know the reporter...

Also, I must say, about the Free Press: it's not like it's huge circulation or anything. In paper format, it's published rather sporadically. My brother-in-law, an aspiring cartoonist, has a strip in it. It has been, it seems to me, pretty much ignored by MSM and even most alternative media, although Fitrakis is great and a terrific activist who's always running for some office or another.

It's nice to see it get a moment in the sun.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/elections/2004/oh/

U.S. President -- Ohio
Updated 11/24/04 1:59 AM ET
Precincts:100% Incumbent* declared winner

Candidates Votes %

George W. Bush * (R) 2,796,147 51
John F. Kerry (D) 2,659,664 49
Other 25,945 0

Here's a story about the Ohio Supreme Court:
The Republican candidates got about 1.9 or 2.0 million votes each, the Democratic candidates got from 1.3 to 1.6 million votes each.
http://www.toledoblade.com/assets/pdf/TO701113.PDF