Dem Lawyers are now crunching numbers in Ohio, but. .

what do we know about republican lawyers strategizing on how to account for all the irregularities? Are they round-tabling in some discreet hotel in Ohio drinking triple espresso's constantly answering cell phones as more reports come in and rearranging their stories to keep up with the ever changing data?

I wonder

do i see Blackwells backstabbing mug on KO.

You KNOW Rove is telling him to FIX THIS, and FIX IT NOW!

sonsobitches, that.

What is Blackwell saying? He is a king shit if ever there was one.

geeze, i can't believe what i just saw. worse rhetoric than during the campaign.. "we had a great election in ohio, 50,000 poll workers, everyone that wanted to vote could. ohio did GREAT!!.. blah blah blah.. " OVER and OVER.. at the end.. he gave a big "thanks for having him on and allowing him to show the TRUTH" .. egads, get me a barf bag.

stand in lines for hours and in at least one place until 2, 3 am. Strategic underallocation of machines and resources in some areas wasn't a testament to a well run equitable election process.

And then those with provisional ballots could have their ballots thrown out for reasons unrelated to a lack of registration.

This is the same guy who was requiring a certain bond of paper be used to register to vote, otherwise it wouldn't be accepted. That was changed I believe when it got widely publicized and protested. Also the don't need/yes you do need birthdates on the provisional ballot seesaw issue wasn't helpful. I take it there are still no uniform stds for determining the acceptability of a provisional ballot?

So on the score of everyone who wanted to vote being able to vote and be sure their vote was counted, no it wasn't great.

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is coming and soon. Or maybe OBL will be thawed out. Something will happen or be orchestrated to happen if the count starts looking bad.

experts crunching the numbers

Now that Scott Peterson is out of the way.

if there's massive lit going on I bet it's not covered - no sex, blood or particular meat to this stuff. Just simple voter disenfranchisement. Heck, they'll probably cover proceedings in the Ukraine more heavily than ours.

on election night (thank god I don't live in ohio so I don't have to veiw him regularly), and he just struck me as the epitome of slick oozing pond scum. I imagine tha repulicans aren't just sitting around twiddling their thumbs.

..it felt like a paid advertisement from the GOP...
he kept talking about free fair non partisan elections ..and more BS
(more is on another DU thread)

What I think the Lawyers, or someone from the Kerry campaign,
should be doing is to restart up the phone banks to call ALL
of the Voters in precincts that reported suspect numbers, and
confirm who they actually voted for.

Then add up the numbers , and if 5,000 more people said they
voted for Kerry than Blackwell reported, we go and get
affidavits from those people and challenge the election results
based on these affidavits.

Below is a letter I sent to Move On awhile back suggesting
this idea, and I think it will still work.

But we have to start it NOW, since Dec. 7th is creeping !

Any thoughts on this ?

Dave, The Mad Dem :)

p.s. Below is the email I sent to Move On ( I never got a response) :

All,

There is a pragmatic method we can use to Verify both E Voting
and Optical Scan Vote Counts in Ohio and Florida, which can give
the Kerry Legal team the means to challenge the reported counts
for Ohio and/or Florida, and to win the Ohio recount, by proving
that many local precinct counts are incorrect.

We already have in place the resources, organization,
volunteers, data, and phone banks to do this,
since we will simply be doing the same phone bank calling that
ACT, Move On, People for the American Way, Common Cause,
and so many other groups were doing to get the Vote out for Kerry.

We need to have Move On's Leave No Voter Behind organization, ACT, and the other groups that did Voter Outreach, to recontact their phone bank
volunteers for the explicit purpose of making Post Election calls, but targeting only specific precincts or counties in Florida and Ohio that reported questionable voting totals,
meaning precincts or counties with a high percentage of Registered Democrats, but with a high percentage of reported Votes cast for Mr. Bush.

Once we have the phone banks back up, we would call every registered voter in the targeted Precinct/County and ask them the following 3 questions:

1) Were you happy with the Results of the Presidential Election ?
2) Are you pleased that George Bush got re-elected?
3) And, If you don't mind, can you tell me if you voted for Mr. Bush or for Mr. Kerry ?

While many people will not answer question 3, their responses to questions 1 and 2 will obviously give us that answer, and tell us who that person voted for.

We then record that Vote on the Phone banks computer system, just the way we did before the election, and continue calling that precinct until we've
called every registered voter there.

This may sound like a large logistical task, but it's actually small compared to what Move On and ACT did before the election, when 500 Move On Field
Organizers oversaw phone calls to hundreds of thousands, if not millions of voters.

I realize we will need a stated purpose for this survey, but I would simply call it a 'Post Election Survey to evaluate Voter outreach efficiency'.

If we target 10 counties, 5 in Ohio, 5 in Florida, with an average number of 10,000 registered Voters in each county, that's 'only' 100,000 voters called,
a far fewer number than Move On , ACT, and others did before the election.

So this is a VERY practical achievable project.

As a guideline, I would suggest that we contact precincts/counites that have over 65 % registered Democrats, but whose Vote totals were
reported as more than 60 % for Mr. Bush, and where there are less than 10,000 registered voters.

In Florida's Baker County, for example, there were 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and only 24.3% of them Republicans, yet
the reported vote count in Baker County was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what would be expected.

Move On, ACT, and the other phone banks could probably call all 12,887 registered Voters in Baker County in a few days.

And wouldn't it be interesting, if the survey shows that 7,000 of those 12,000 voted for Kerry, instead of the 2,180 Kerry votes that were reported ?

While it would take a few days to get the phone banks back up and functional, if we started making calls by Monday, Nov. 22nd, we could probably
complete calls for 10 targeted areas ( total of 100,000 voters ) by the end of November.

And once we have that data complied, we turn it over to the Legal team, which can use it to demand a recount and and Investigation of both Ohio and Florida.

If you think this idea has merit, PLEASE pass it on to other Move On, ACT, and Kerry campaign staff members who can help restart up the Phone Banks
for 2 to 3 weeks, to make the post election phone calls, and to get us the data we need to prove that both Ohio and Florida were stolen from Kerry.

I don't know the Voting breakdown for all of Ohio's counties, but I have seen the breakdown for Florida's counties, and Jefferson, Liberty, and Calhoun are just 3 Florida counties which meet the above criteria, and which I strongly suspect, direct post election calls to voters would show that the reported counts were grossly in error,
since they all used Optical Scanners to record votes :

it

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started soon and can get lots of manpower put behind the effort. I worked the phones from my home for the Moveon "Leave No Voter Behind" project, and Moveon definitely has the infrastructure in place to carry out a precinct-by-precinct canvassing project of this type.

Some thoughts on the specific DU proposal that was made to Moveon:

Avoid canvassing the strongly Dixiecrat Florida counties that have a history of voting Republican despite having a majority of declared Democrats. Also, some of those counties have already gone through hand recounts, so there are fewer opportunities for surprises in those counties.

Ask the local Dems in any county initially selected for analysis whether they were surprised by any of the results in their county, e.g., reported turnout, undervoting, disparity between votes for county-wide Dem office-seekers v. votes for Kerry, Dem v. Repub ratios, disparity between early voting results and Nov. 2 results, etc... Avoid counties that seem to the local Dems to have had uncompromised election results, since the locals are in the best position to know if something looks fishy.

Be ready to canvass an entire county rather than just spot-checking a few precincts here and there. Many, many counties tally their absentee and early votes separately and don't roll those votes in to the final tally for a specific precinct. Also, at least one of the suspect counties (Cuyahoga Co. Ohio) says that votes have been rolled in from outside the county in order to facilitate vote counting for Congressional races. Any county canvassing project must have a clear handle on the exact scope of the work before it begins.

Don't pussyfoot with the questions, especially at this late date. From my experience calling for MoveOn, and as a deputy registrar here in my home county (Harris Co. Texas), most people are very forthcoming and ready to talk about who they will/did vote for. Just ask registered voters:

are you Mr./Ms. x?

did you vote in the Nov. general election?

did you vote in X state, x county and x precinct? (often county voter rolls are inaccurate).

did you vote on election day, Nov. 2, or did you vote early (either in person (Fla., Texas, etc...) or absentee)?

did you vote for president?

which presidential candidate did you select?

did you vote on a straight party basis?

if this canvass reveals a discrepancy between our results and the county's officially reported results would you be willing to sign an affidavit that describes how you voted?



That's my 2 cents. I'm ready to start phoning.

off the ballot.

They did a good job uncovering the fraud in Ralph's petitions.

I'm sure I could find some people to keep them otherwise occupied :)

that they had on hand for election night. :argh: When Kerry's campaign said they are "beginning to realize" they should have had criminal attorneys on hand, but "they never suspected fraud", I could have SCREEEEEAAMED!

Does it ever occur to anyone else here that the Democratic party is totally CLUELESS about what's happening in this country? It's like they all listen to Faux news, or something!

:nuke: pisses me off!!


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