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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:33 PM
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What happens if Madsen is correct??
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 09:33 PM by ailsagirl
For the sake of argument, let's assume everything Madsen says is true. And it's proven. It wouldn't matter WHEN the story broke, right? I mean, it could happen next summer-- there's no statute of limitations on this-- this is treason. The Repugs can't say, "Well, sorry-- he's already in his second term and you can't do anything about it." Treason is treason.

So we really don't have a "deadline," do we??
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whalerider55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:36 PM
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1. maybe not...
but what about all the nominations and executive orders he'd have made up until then...

do you remove a SCOTUS Justice because the man who appointed him was impeached... as in Burger and Blackmun?

the clock is, and has been ticking.

whalerider55
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:36 PM
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2. you know at this point, I don't think anything will happen
no matter what the proof.

it's like the media can't be bother with holding bush to any standard of decency.
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:37 PM
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3. No deadline. It will cause a lotta hell to break lose whenever it
breaks, if it is substantiated.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:37 PM
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4. We all go and celebrate! n/t
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:41 PM
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5. Actually we do
And its one we don't know about. Say there is fraud, do you think the people who comitted it are going to leave evidence lying around to be discovered. The longer it takes to ivestigate the less likely its ever going to be proven. Its probably too late as it is. No one will ever find a smoking gun and we now have an event that will be fought over long after we are dead by a very small percent of the population with the rest not giving a damm.
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:09 PM
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12. True, but as long as we don't end up in a JFK-like situation we'll nail it
down. I think this is coming out quickly.
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:22 PM
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16. I hope you are right
but I am having my doubts and I am getting discouraged. Outside of here it seems that no one is interested. It seems that the media is totally disinterested and not just the mainstream but even writers who are bit off the beaten path.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:03 AM
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23. Yeh-- after 41 years, the media are still saying that
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 01:04 AM by ailsagirl
"Oswald acted alone"

Give me a break!!!!!
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:49 PM
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6. No deadline for Treason
Even if it comes out after he leaves office.

Take his pension away.
Remove all those appointed and take their pension away.
Take all those that have left and were appointed and take their pension away.
Take Cheney's heart pacer and defibillator away.
Take gw*s ranch away.

Prohibit all gw administration appointed and elected from any future federal position.

Prevent any federal funding to anyone that hires or utilizes anyone as a consultant or contractor such as Condi Rice.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:49 PM
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7. I so wish justice would prevail
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:16 PM
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14. And crush and destroy e-voting maching companies.
RIP DIEBOLD
RIP ES&S

Or roast in hell, whichever shoe fits.
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darthdemocrat Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:27 AM
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24. Aw, come on... you're going easy on 'em!
can't we put them in some kind of a "got milk?" commercial or something? Somehow I really like the idea of shrub in the role of Tantalus.

Well ok, maybe not. Even if they doesn't seem to think they matter we can still extend some of those human rights even to those who are clearly inhuman.

Here's to the belief in justice after this life and the hope that there's some done in this one!
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:30 AM
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25. yepper...you are right.
Sorta like that "president" who went to jail in the movie "MY FELLOW AMERICANS" with JAMES GARNER.....and JACK LEMMON.

The bad President was convicted of treason and sent to jail.

That will be Bush's future.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:31 AM
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26. you call that punishment?
I say send 'em all to Texas and put 'em on death row.

How many people have died because of the crimes of these gangsters?

And you want to take away their pensions?

Is there a "scowl" emoticon? I want to scowl at you.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:23 PM
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29. I couldn't very well express my absolute preference
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:52 PM
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8. Excellent Question, Because WE WILL NEVER GIVE UP !!! n/t
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:54 PM
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9. A tornado will swirl through my local junkyard
and it will blow together a Boeing 747-400 from the junk cars.
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Danocrat Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:59 PM
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10. I'm sorry, I'm out of the loop
Anybody have a link or summary?
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:20 PM
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15. Well, here's a link to the Q&A he did w/ us last night.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=88322&mesg_id=88322

Also if you go to OnlineJournal.com you'll see two other articles that we've been discussing re: was the US election rigged?
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nmoliver Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:01 PM
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11. yes, we do have a deadline
We do have a deadline. Once he is inaugurated, removing him from office for treason would not install Kerry. It would install the Speaker of the House, who is Republican.

To turn this around we will need MILLIONS in the streets. The anemic demonstrations we have had so far will not get the media to even report the problem.

- Nina
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kerry2win Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:13 PM
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13. I don't think the people would roll over and let that happen
no one knows for sure nothing like this has ever happened.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:50 AM
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19. YEE-IKES!! Isn't that the sleazy DeLay???
He's House Majority Leader, right? Is that the same thing as Speaker of the House?

Whoever it is, it'll be the same disgusting, corrupt ilk.
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:26 PM
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30. no it would be dennis hastert (sp?) n/t
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:24 PM
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17. Brad Friedman: Conversation with Madsen and a bit of...
.....advice for Mr Olbermann.

One quote:

"I chatted with Madsen and peppered him with any number of questions about what he'd reported so far and what he is still in the process of investigating. I was able to get respectable answers to the bulk of concerns I had, ....."

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00000999.htm

"Halt, Audit & Prove My Vote Counts, Now"


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darthdemocrat Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:44 AM
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18. If Madsen is correct then at the very least maybe
we don't have to wait for historians to review the carnage to decide that shrub sucks. Everyone will know right away that these guys are scumbags.

Otherwise I swear they'll be trying to put his mug on a piece of currency if they can manage to thwart a public consciousness of the truth. I just can't stand the thought of hearing Republicans praising him for years to come like Reagan.

Ugh.
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:56 AM
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20. They've got him on billboards-- what's next-- statues??
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 12:57 AM by ailsagirl
Who would have thought that our country would do such a nose-dive in such a short time? Would you have believed it?? I wouldn't have-- I would think, "No, there are too many people who would fight against it."

But everyone (on our side) seems so timid... are they afraid that if they speak up a family member will perish? Or some skeleton in their closet will come rattling out??

Why don't we have any fiery Dem orators?? Shoot-- the bunch of us could do a helluva lot better job than what I've been seeing.

No offense to our elected Dems but... where IS everyone???? Do they WANT this despicable moron to rule the country for another four years? I can't even contemplate how awful it will be.

Sorry-- had to vent.

And by the way, historians consider him "the worst president" in U.S. history as well as "the most dangerous president." This I looked up a few months ago. Great.
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darthdemocrat Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:59 AM
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21. How about toilet paper? -eom-
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:01 AM
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22. Investigation, congress will get involved and then Republican will turn
on Dubya faster then you can say Achtung Baby. No one will want to be on the wrong side of this one. Then instead of an inaugaration, we get to have a sentencing. Bzzzzzzzzzzzt.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:36 AM
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28. man, you're optimistic
Take a look at the 9/11 report and tell me it isn't a total whitewash.

Congress would investigate and do absolutely jack shit.

America can do no wrong. Vote fraud does not happen in America. Don't you understand? It simply would never happen here!
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:34 AM
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27. Hm, well he is correct, and let's see, what exactly is happening?
Not much.

This country is in deep denial.

If they were told the truth, half of them wouldn't believe it.

Half would call it a lie.

I used to say, before Abu Ghraib, that George Bush could be videotaped fucking a goat on the 50 yard line of the superbowl, and somehow people would think it was all just fine.

Then Abu Ghraib happened, and, well, what I saw was even worse than fucking a goat.

And nobody really seemed to care.

It's all water under the bridge. Everything's great in America! Christmas shop!

So your president and his cohorts figured out a way to steal elections? Oh well! Just frat-boy pranks! And gosh it's just that "liberal media" telling us lies again!

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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:28 PM
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31. Madsen DU Q&A compilation posted on DUer's web site! Link
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 03:49 PM by jamboi
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