Think I found a minor pattern in California... thoughts?

Hi all,

Notice there isn't a single Diebold Accuvote Touchscreen/DRE in this batch? And of the two touchscreens that made it into this list (Sequoia AVC Edge) they are in counties that I marked with a star? Notice the other two stars are on counties with Diebold equipment? Wonder where George is going with this?

Alpine - Datavote (Punchcard)
Butte - Mark-A-Vote (Optiscan)
Contra Costa - Mark-A-Vote (Optiscan)
Glenn - Datavote (Punchcard)
Humbolt - AccuVote-OS (Optiscan)
Inyo - Datavote (Punchcard)
Marin - AccuVote-OS (Optiscan)
Mendocino - Accuvote-OS (Optiscan)
Modoc* - Accuvote-OS (Optiscan)
Mono - Optech Eagle (Optiscan)
Napa* - AVC Edge (Touchscreen/DRE)
Nevada - Model 100/550/650 (Optiscan)
Plumas* - Accuvote-OS (Optiscan)
San Francisco - Optech Eagle (Optiscan)
San Mateo - Optech Eagle (Optiscan)
Santa Barbara - Accuvote-OS (Optiscan)
Santa Clara* - AVC Edge (Touchscreen/DRE)
Santa Cruz - Mark-A-Vote (Optiscan)
Siskiyou - Accuvote-OS (Optiscan)
Sonoma - Mark-A-Vote (Optiscan)

This is a list of CA counties that did not show odd gains for Bush. The stars showed gains that might be easily explained away but were still questionable. This is 20 of the 58 counties. There were NINE diebold Accuvote Touchscreen DREs and NONE of them were used in my "safe" list of counties.

Whatcha all think? Pattern?? ;)

Warmly,

George

(p.s. edited because original post was asking for machine info for each of the counties, but that was answered quickly. Thanks!)

:) -G

no post to see here. please move along down-thread. :) -G

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x91982

there is a link here near the bottom for an article that ran just before the election that talked about Sequoia code being posted for viewing online. Wonder if it was in one of these two counties?

seems to be used in some of the oddest looking counties (i.e. Riverside). :)

I just went back through the list, there are SIX Sequoia counties in California, only two of them barely fit into what I call my "safe" list.

Thanks for the link! I'm glad you brought it up! Mr. Madsen himself mentioned Riverside, and they did have that odd departure from the election official who was alledgedly not reporting gifts from Sequoia. :) This could get good. -G

This is important.Thankyou

I think we might have to keep kicking it around DU for the time being. I'm hoping we find some patterns. Mr. Madsen's story has me digging here in Cali for some answers. Please see the thread "Project California" for the latest:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x91254

And if you are in CA, please let me know!! :) :)

Warmly,

George

I have a sneaking suspicion **bush was able to majorly pad his popular vote in Calofornia.

2000 results, and when you factor that most greens would never vote Bush, and that the GOP doesn't spend much recruiting new voters here you have some fairly funky numbers. Bush seems to have gained much more than it seems he should have. And some counties, when you read the reports that people left of what went wrong you start to get a real clue.

I think it would have gone largely unnoticed if Mr. Madsen's article didn't point at it. :) It does seem padded, and I am enjoying the hunt. Luckily I have a lot of fellow DUrs in CA who can help coordinate this project. :) :) They can't hide from us in California without being totally obvious thanks to our wonderful sunshine laws. Let's hope we get a nice hot lead soon!

Warmly,

George

...CA SoS, CA AG, Common Cause, ACLU, AFL-CIO, and:

http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp?offset=0&catid=&showall=&sort

and,

http://www.verifiedvoting.org/index.php

Excellent investigative effort. Thank you.

"Halt, Audit, & Prove My Vote Counts, Now"

before I send to the heavywieghts, but I do think the pattern is odd. :) -G

....but, filing a preliminary result gets it on the record, in numerous places and that is also important.

Thank you.

"Halt, Audit & Prove My Vote Counts, Now"

it a bit, so they'll have an idea it's coming in more thoroughly sooner than later. Good idea! :) -G

You can find LA Co. here if you feel like wading through their 4000+ precincts:

http://regrec.co.la.ca.us/svc/posttally0024/bigframe.htm

I have yet to dive to that level of micro, but I will soon. :) -G

I still haven't been able to locate them....

I went to their website and went trolling for the precinct data and saw where they are trying to charge people for access to voter records. The fees are WAY more than the cost of the materials used to provide this information, which is in violation if the CPRA, FOIA, the California State Constitution (thanks to Prop 59), and likely not something voters would be very happy to know ("County Turns Profit On YOUR Voter Information" - news at 6.)

I'll try to call the number listed on their homepage and ask if it is up on their site, or how else it may be viewed. I'll repost the info later, or if you get to it first, please do so as well. :)

I have a feeling us DUrs will bring a well deserved culutre shock to Riverside if and when the occasion arrises. :) -G

That's why I have been writing a tool to do it for me...

Downloaded NM last night 2400 webpages in about 20 min I will convert the tables to a csv, hopefully tonight.

It has to be custom writen to deal with every difference presented at each website. It's a bit of a pain in the ass to do. If you want the code it's yours.

Must be at least familiar with the "mshtml.HTMLDocumentClass" class object.

Let me know...

BTW anyone looking for precinct data from anythese counties

FL - Bay, Clay, Monroe, Manatee, Collier

I recieved them a couple of weeks ago

Both for the custom tool and the precinct data. Sounds like you're doing good work.

Um possibly I could, but I want to finish NM first...

And Grab LA tonight

I've been following the results on the SoS page as they've come in.

http://vote2004.ss.ca.gov/Returns/pres/59.htm

Merced Co. was sticking out because it was showing that only 77% of people who cast a ballot cast a vote for President. I figured the absentees hadn't been counted. Today I looked. Sure enough, some ballots had been added, but only enough to bring the percentage up to 84%. Meaning 16% undervoted or decided not to vote for President. Then I went to another page on the SoS website:

http://vote2004.ss.ca.gov/Returns/status.htm

I found the number of ballots CAST had been reduced by almost 10K from 68,746 to 58,752. No screen grab on the original, of course.....

Merced uses the ES&S iVotronic machine, for whatever it's worth.

did the numbers shrink on the SoS site? Do you know the approximate date/time window within which this happened? -G

On the page showing County Status the numbers of Ballots Cast for Merced County went down by almost 10K. This happened in the last 5-7 days. The link to this page is in my first post.

Also, it's impossible I made an error b/c I was cutting and pasting from the SoS website into a spreadsheet and checked it on about 5 different days.

EDIT: to add info.

And is the most recent save date more than 5-7 days ago? :) -G

I only see most recent modification date and that, of course, is today....

I just PM'ed you with the info.

Thanks! :) -G

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x91254

:) -G

Actually, it was your post that got me thinking I should check it out right away. :) -G

sorry bout the doublepost,

good idea for this thread, I wouldn't have thought of it...more of a numbers person

Fresno - optical scan (precinct level)
Riverside - DRE Sequoia AVC-Edge
San Bernadino - DRE Sequoia AVC-Edge
Stanislaus - optical scan (precinct level)
Tulare - optical scan (precinct level)

shrug
thanks for the quick response mountebank :)

begin looking at your county, unless you live in one of the counties we are calling "safe" for the moment. I'm still narrowing down some data before I get us kicked up into high gear here. :) -G

Just prior to the election, I found a website that had an interactive function where you put in your address and zipcode and it pulled up the address of your polling place and listed which type of ballots/machines were used.

I looked up my local polling place (in Sonoma county) and was sure it said Diebold touchscreen, because I recall thinking "I'm SO glad I got an absentee ballot this year!"

So, I cannot verify that they actually used the Diebold machines within Sonoma county, contrary to what your original post says, but if anyone knows the website I'm referring to where polling places were searchable, please let me know and I'll recheck (nope, didn't think to bookmark it! doh!)

Edit -- OK, just found some sites with that info, and I guess when I saw the name Diebold, I assumed e-voting, but now I see they actually were Diebold Optical Scanners that were used. Carry on...

Alameda - Accuvote-TS (Touchscreen/DRE)
Amador - Optech Eagle (Optiscan)
Calavaras - Datavote (Punchcards)
Colusa - Model 100/550/650 (Optiscan)
Del Norte - Datavote (Punchcards)
El Dorado - Datavote (Punchcards)
Fresno - Accuvote-OS (Optiscan)
Imperial County - Datavote (punchcard)
Kern - Accuvote-OS (optiscan)
Kings - Optech Eagle (Optiscan)
Lake - Mark-A-Vote (Optiscan)
Lassen - Accuvote-OS (optiscan)
Los Angeles - InkaVote (optiscan)
Madera - Mark-A-Vote (Optiscan)
Mariposa - Optech Eagle (Optiscan)
Merced - iVotronic (Touchscreen/DRE)
Modoc? - Accuvote-os (optiscan)
Monterey - Optech Eagle (optiscan)
Orange - eslate (DRE)
Placer - Accuvote-os (optiscan)
Plumas? - accuvote-ts (touchscreen/DRE)
Riverside - AVC Edge (Touchscreen/DRE)
Sacramento - Model 100/550/650 (Optiscan)
San Benito - Datavote (Punchcards)
San Bernardino - AVC Edge (Touchscreen/DRE)
San Diego - Accuvote-OS (Optiscan)
San Joaquin - Accuvote-os (optiscan)
San Luis Obispo - accuvote-os (optiscan)
Santa Clara? - AVC Edge (Touchscreen/DRE)
Shasta - AVC Edge (Touchscreen/DRE)
Sierra* - Datavote (punchcards)
Solano - Model 100/550/650 (optiscan)
Stanislaus - Model 100/550/650 (optiscan)
Sutter - Mark-A-Vote (optiscan)
Tehama - AVC Edge (touchscreen/DRE)
Trinity - Accuvote-os (optiscan)
Tulare - accuvote-os (optiscan)
Tuolumne - model 100/550/650 (optiscan)
Ventura - Datavote (punchcards)
Yolo - Datavote (punchcards)
Yuba - Datavote (punchcards)

The Secretary of State site is where I pulled the info. If Diebold equipment was used in Sonoma, please let me know. :) Thanks! - G

at least it wasn't the e-voting machines! Just edited my post above, sorry... will check in with other thread re: what to do locally, I'm in! :-)

Edit: although, frankly, I don't trust *any* of the Diebold machines, regardless of type. I think the optical scanners are just as vulnerable.

:) -G

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Take a look at the photos from a demonstration in California

http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/11/1707625.php


-snip-
"The demonstration, organized by the Wellstone Democratic Club of Silicon Valley, and by The Dean Democratic Club of Silicon Valley, was to protest the Media's near complete silence concerning voting irregularities in the 2004 presidential election."

This link opens a video file "Bush won. Get over it." Touching video tribute to the soliders killed

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