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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:57 AM
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"conspiracy theories" on Anderson Cooper 360
All this week.

Last night was UFOs and Roswell, NM. Tonight is about Martin Luther King assassination. I think tomorrow may be flight 800.

Guess what Friday is? You got it-- Election 2004

Here is the website--

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/

I don't see Friday's topic listed but I saw the show last night and it was announced then. I am betting that he will put on one of the statisticians. That is just a guess, though. Last night he had a Roswell researcher vs. one of those Skeptic guys. I will say that the Roswell guy has more facts on his side.

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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:58 AM
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1. By Friday...
It will be a day late and a dollar short.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:00 PM
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2. Anderson Cooper can BITE ME
I've had it with this 'conspiracy theory' BULLSHIT. They are so freaking LAZY they cannot be bothered to report the story except to repeat snide insults against those who COULD SEE WITH THEIR OWN EYES THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO WAIT IN LINE TEN HOURS TO VOTE.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:03 PM
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3. I just emailed Cooper -
said almost exactly what you've posted.
Maybe if some of these so-called reporters did their job, the boy king would be on his way beck to Crawford.
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:09 PM
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5. Call me dumb but
is this their thinly veiled attempt to belittle this?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:21 PM
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8. Who? CNN?
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 12:22 PM by sparosnare
If that's what you mean - Yes. Throwing the election in there with Roswell, etc. and labeling it a conspiracy theory gives the connotation that anyone who would believe the election was rigged is a looney.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:16 PM
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15. the election tossed in with other conspiracy theories!! geech!!!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:58 PM
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27. They're just hacks
About once a week I succumb and turn on TV news. After a couple minutes of surfing through our 8 options, I get pissed (again) and turn it off (again). I guess I'm hoping one of them will suddenly become relevent.
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:09 PM
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4. If this is the case then maybe he should
challenge Keith O to a duel on the subject..Lets hope he is not going to
say this Fraud is a conspiracy, it has reached the mainstream with people like JJ on it.....
this would make Cooper look like a fool at this point
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:18 PM
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6. "conspiracy-
n.,pl. 1. a planning and acting together secretly, esp. for an unlawful or harmful purpose, such as murder or treason. 2. the plan agreed on; plot. 3. the group taking part in such a plan. 4. a combining or working /the conspiring of events/"

Webster's New World Dictionary

The only reason I'm posting this definition is that I take enormous issue with the innumerable decrepancies that statisticians, polsters, and 1200 computer scientists (Phd's) have been reacting to is minimized as a conspiracy theory when it is not at all secretive. It is blatant to anyone who is paying attention. That would be with the exception of the corporate shills in the media, as well as the seemingly slumbering populous.

They have more of a democracy in Venezuala and the Ukraine at this point.

It's so sad.

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:21 PM
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7. MLK assassination conspiracy "theory"?!?
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 12:33 PM by Minstrel Boy
I know it dropped down America's memory hole faster than you can say "Has anybody seen my old friend Martin?" but an American jury in a US Court of Law found for conspiracy in 1999.

Anyone remember? Anybody care?

Am I hallucinating, or are these the complete transcripts of the trial?

MLK Jr's Murder: Confessions Of Conspiracy
Conspiracy theories abound. Professors, pundits and especially government eggheads - having read Richard Hofstadter's excellent analysis of the political paranoiac - talk about conspiracy theories in pejorative tones, certain that the rabble just doesn't understand the complexities of governance.

I suppose all that makes for an interesting intellectual exchange but the crucial question is whether a conspiracy is, in fact, behind a particular political event. Conspiracies happen.

Loyd Jowers told Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s son, Dexter, and former U.N. ambassador Andrew Young, that he was part of a conspiracy to kill King. Today marks the 32nd anniversary of his assassination.

The plot in which Jowers said he took part went to trial after all these years. This past December the jury ruled that, indeed, there was a conspiracy to kill King, involving Jowers and "others, including governmental agencies."
http://www.commondreams.org/views/040400-105.htm

How the hell this failed to be the "Trial of the Century" says all you need to know about corporate media's complicity in the cover-up of crimes of state, and how it robs America's collective consciousness of the nation's real history.
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republikkkon Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:35 PM
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10. wow. holy shit.
i didn't even hear about the MLK trial. sad. thanks for the info...
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:03 PM
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12. Incredible, isn't it?
There was no sparing the ink for OJ. For the King trial?

From James W. Douglass's account of the verdict:

The jury returned with a verdict after two and one-half hours. Judge James E. Swearengen of Shelby County Circuit Court, a gentle African-American man in his last few days before retirement, read the verdict aloud. The courtroom was crowded with spectators, almost all black.

"In answer to the question, ‘Did Loyd Jowers participate in a conspiracy to do harm to Dr. Martin Luther King?’ your answer is ‘Yes."’ The man on my left leaned forward and whispered softly, "Thank you, Jesus."

The judge continued: "‘Do you also find that others, including governmental agencies, were parties to this conspiracy as alleged by the defendant?’ Your answer to that one is also ‘Yes."’ An even more heartfelt whisper: "Thank you, Jesus!"

David Morphy, the only juror to grant an interview, said later: "We can look back on it and say that we did change history. But that’s not why we did it. It was because there was an overwhelming amount of evidence and just too many odd coincidences."
http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1970

"Change history"? How sadly naive. The judgement didn't even make the cut as official history.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:14 PM
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14. Send that to Anderson Cooper
sorry, I don't have his email. Maybe someone else does.

A conspiracy is no more and no less than 2 or more people who have agreed to do something illegal to achieve a legal end; or, 2 or more people who have agreed to do something illegal to achieve an illegal ends.

And various combinations thereof. "Conspiracy" is the most overused and misunderstood word in politics today. It's a bait word.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:30 PM
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9. No segment on Ken Starr's $70 million conspiracy theory? I'm disappointed.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:21 PM
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17. Vince Foster was my favorite
of the Clinton-era conspiracy theories, the one about Hillary killing Vince Foster took the cake, the vile lie got plenty of play in the RW media, and even the mainstream media gave it a little.

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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:53 PM
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11. If this is the case they better put the Ukraine election on that show as
well because they had the same sort of BS in that election as ours. Write to this a-hole and tell him that. What a jerk, why are the Ukraine exit polls suspicious when ours aren't. I think ours were even more off than theirs. Sheesh!
:wtf: :shrug:
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212demop Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:08 PM
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13. Is there any upside?
The story will get airtime even if it is in the context of conspiracy.

Or is that too idiotically hopeful to merit a post here?
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:19 PM
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16. this is manipulation by insinuation
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 01:20 PM by ooglymoogly
imo cooper is smart but he is a republican; one of the few smart ones and not because of religion i don't think. he seems to adhere to the talking points but in a much more clever way. I'm guessing he will use all the unproven (mlk was proven in court though he is pretending it is still one of the conspiracy theories to debunk} ones, using these to debunk election 2004 fraud in a subtle way so everyone will come away feeling it a fair analysis and its just sour grapes and not fraud. but i guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 01:28 PM
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18. subtle as a cluster bomb
CNN's coverage of the valid issues surrounding the election consist of the "reporters" screaming "there was no fraud!"

Just like their coverage of the war consists of them screaming "This war is good!"

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 02:07 PM
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19. It might have more to do with the fact that Cooper's a VANDERBILT
He's outrageously wealthy.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 02:22 PM
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20. Anderson Cooper needs to be outed....
we should conspire.
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212demop Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:17 PM
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22. He's not "in"
Randi R. talks about him being gay all the time. I think she has a crush on him.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:37 PM
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23. Cooper is stinking rich and gay?
Man the things you learn on DU. (like it matters) But hey I used to watch him on the "Mole"-from reality TV to CNN- sounds like a conspiracy to have journalists pretending to be journalists.
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212demop Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:52 PM
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26. He was on The Mole?
Jesus, so much for credibility... The things you learn on DU!
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:05 PM
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29. He was the host-not a contestant-but now he's a "journalist"
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212demop Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:08 PM
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30. So, like, Jeff Probst could have a future on CNN? Nice....
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:54 PM
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31. Hey, I like Jeff
He voted for Kerry
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212demop Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 05:09 PM
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32. Actually, so did Donald Trump--
Because he said he always does better financially when a Dem is president. I wish he'd spoken up to the Red State repubs who thought they were voting on the economy.

Too late.
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 02:53 PM
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21. Until we have evidence to take into a courtroom, not just
statistical improbabilites, our belief that there was a conspiracy to steal the election by Bush is just that - a theory. My problem with Anderson is that he is lumping this current theory in with alot of past debunked or unrealized theories. By his ridicule of our theory, he is doing the country more harm than good. That's what makes my blood boil! He should be out there bringing these fraud issues to the forefront so people can judge for themselves.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 03:41 PM
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25. Cooper should...
should go back to college and do some work this time before calling himself a "journalist."
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 04:01 PM
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28. This is good news
It means the DC/Media Analstocracy is getting very nervous.

They're turning up the volume on the Mighty Wurlitzer.

This is why we MUST change the FRAME
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