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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 05:30 PM
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How Hitler Used Christianity To Scapegoat the Jews and Become Dictator
Edited on Sun Jan-07-07 05:39 PM by Dems Will Win

"Gott Mit Uns" Silver Belt Buckle of the Waffen SS

Few today know the fact that Adolf Hitler and the Nazis used Christianity to scapegoat the Jews and use anti-Semitism to ascend the ladder of power. At one point, Hitler -- who often told audiences he was a Christian and a Catholic -- held an election to create a unified German "Evangelical Church", of "Positive Christianity" or German Christianity. "The Holy Reich: Nazi conception of Christianity, 1919-1945," by Richard Steigmann-Gall, Cambridge University Press, 2003, is an excellent book on a subject I thought I knew quite well.

How Hitler used Chritianity has clearly been covered up and not made clear to the general public, at least recently.

God helps only those who are prepared and determined to help themselves.-Adolf Hitler, Nov. 06 1938

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited. -Adolf Hitler, Munich April 1922

Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against Christ, so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped into madness to attack those who, God's truth! seek to deal with this people in utter honesty and sincerity. -Adolf Hitler, Munich, July 28 1922

We have faith that one day Heaven will bring the Germans back into a Reich over which there shall be no Soviet star, no Jewish star of David, but above that Reich there shall be the symbol of German labor - the Swastika. And that will mean that the first of May has truly come.-Adolf Hitler, Munich, May 01 1923

The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were".... I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions. -Adolf Hitler, April 26 1933

the German priest as servant of God we shall protect, the priest as political enemy of the German State we shall destroy. -Adolf Hitler, a speech in the Reichstag on Jan. 30 1939

Help yourself, then God will also help you!

The German people was created by Providence, not in order to obey a law which suits Englishmen or Frenchmen, but to stand up for its vital right. That is what we are there for!
-Adolf Hitler, April 01 1939

We have experienced a miracle, something unique, something the like of which there has hardly been in the history of the world. God first allowed our people to be victorious for four and a half years, then He abased us, laid upon us a period of shamelessness, but now after a struggle of fourteen years he has permitted us to bring that period to a close. It is a miracle which has been wrought upon the German people.... It shows us that the Almighty has not deserted our people, that He received it into favour at the moment when it rediscovered itself. And that our people shall never again lose itself, that must be our vow so long as we shall live and so long as the Lord gives us the strength to carry on the fight. - Adolf Hitler, March, 1934

Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church. -Adolf Hitler, Berlin 1936

This is probably the first time and this is the first country in which people are being taught to realize that, of all the tasks which we have to face, the noblest and most sacred for mankind is that each racial species must preserve the purity of the blood which God has given it....

The greatest revolution which National Socialism has brought about is that it has rent asunder the veil which hid from us the knowledge that all human failures and mistakes are due to the conditions of the time and therefore can be remedied, but that there is one error which cannot be remedied once men have made it, namely the failure to recognize the importance of conserving the blood and the race free from intermixture and thereby the racial aspect and character which are God's gift and God's handiwork. It is not for men to discuss the question of why Providence created different races, but rather to recognize the fact that it punishes those who disregard its work of creation....

As I look back on the great work that has been done during the past four years you will understand quite well that my first feeling is simply one of thankfulness to our Almighty God for having allowed me to bring this work to success. He has blessed our labors and has enabled our people to come through all the obstacles which encompassed them on their way....

Today I must humbly thank Providence, whose grace has enabled me, who was once an unknown soldier in the War, to bring to a successful issue the struggle for the restoration of our honor and rights as a nation.
-Adolf Hitler, at Reichstag, Jan. 30 1937

So we go forward with the profoundest faith in God into the future. Would that which we have achieved have been possible if Providence had not helped us? -Adolf Hitler, June 6 1937

If we pursue this way, if we are decent, industrious, and honest, if we so loyally and truly fulfill our duty, then it is my conviction that in the future as in the past the Lord God will always help us. In the long run He never leaves decent folk in the lurch. Often He may test them, He may send trials upon them, but in the long run He always lets His sun shine upon them once more and at the end He gives them His blessing. -Adolf Hitler, Harvest Thanksgiving Festival Oct. 3 1937

We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest. - Point 24 of the German Workers Party Platform (1920s)

Providence shows no mercy to weak nations, but recognizes the right of existence-only of sound and strong nations....

This Jewish bolshevist annihilation of nations and its western European and American procurers can be met only in one way: by using every ounce of strength with the extreme fanaticism and stubborn steadfastness that merciful God gives to men in hard times for the defense of their own lives....

We have suffered so much that it only steels us to fanatical resolve to hate Our enemies a thousand times more and to regard them for what they are destroyers of an eternal culture and annihilators of humanity. Out of this hate a holy will is born to oppose these destroyers of our existence with all the strength that God has given us and to crush them in the end. During its 2,000-year history our people has survived so many terrible times that we have no doubt that we will also master our present plight.
-Adolf Hitler, Feb. 24 1945

http://www.adolfhitler.ws/lib/speeches/text/speeches.htm

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0521823714/freethinkers


It is ignorance of this fact that allowed current right-wingers to use God to scapegoat gays and lesbians and ascend to power and the repeal of liberty -- as in "God said marriage is between a man and a woman".

Since those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it, please remember to recommend.
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 05:42 PM
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1. K&R'd
Very interesting read. Thanks for posting.
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 05:43 PM
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2. Most people who have read a bit about WW2 know Hilter used christianity.
Whether or not he thought himself a christian or held to more teutonic spiritual beliefs in private is up for debate however. As a man, he would promote anything in public, if he felt it would gain him some advantage.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 05:45 PM
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3. Problem is most have NOT read books on WW II
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich noted it but that book was a bestseller a loooong time ago.
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eagler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 07:21 PM
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28. there was a time when the popes were appointed by germanic emperors
goes back to Charlemagne and the Holy Roman Empire. He was using this to resurrect German nationalism.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 05:47 PM
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4. Hitler had a century of ingrained teutonic antisemitism within Germany
and Austria, so it wasn't a hard sell. It had more traction than, say gypsies (although they did get caught up in the net along with gays, lesbians, intellectuals, true religionists, communists, socialists, etc.).
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 11:36 AM
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39. And never forget the disabled. Many of them could not speak for
themselves. We must.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 05:53 PM
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5. Where are the real Christians like Karl Barth, today? Where is today's Barman Declaration?
The Barmen Declaration, 1934, was a call to resistance against the theological claims of the Nazi state. Almost immediately after Hitler's seizure of power in 1933, Protestant Christians faced pressure to "aryanize" the Church, expel Jewish Christians from the ordained ministry and adopt the Nazi "Führer Principle" as the organizing principle of church government. In general, the churches succumbed to these pressures, and some Christians embraced them willingly. The pro-Nazi "German Christian" movement became a force in the church. They glorified Adolf Hitler as a "German prophet" and preached that racial consciousness was a source of revelation alongside the Bible. But many Christians in Germany—including Lutheran and Reformed, liberal and neo-orthodox—opposed the encroachment of Nazi ideology on the Church's proclamation. At Barmen, this emerging "Confessing Church" adopted a declaration drafted by Reformed theologian Karl Barth and Lutheran theologian Hans Asmussen, which expressly repudiated the claim that other powers apart from Christ could be sources of God's revelation. Not all Christians courageously resisted the regime, but many who did—like the Protestant pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer and the Roman Catholic priest Bernhard Lichtenberg—were arrested and executed in concentration camps.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 05:57 PM
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6. Do you know more about the Election to form the Nazi Evangelical Church?
great post!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:16 PM
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10. A very religious man.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:20 PM
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12. Great catch, thank you!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 07:14 PM
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27. It is perhaps not unreasonable to question the fellow's honesty and sincerity:
by 1945, there was a fairly substantial historical record of his various deceits, both domestic and international.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 05:58 PM
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7. The problem with reading history is that,
if it disagrees with the point of view of said reader, they won't do it.
How many times have we been told that the great destroyers of the world were atheists?
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:02 PM
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8. Recently, on Meet The Press, Pastor Rick Warren said Hitler was an Atheist
So he laid the responsibility of the deaths of WW II on atheism.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 11:42 AM
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40. I have a masters degree and I have never been told that.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:10 PM
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9. the state was hitler`s religion
and he was the founder, the planner, and the man who would lead the third reich into the future. he used religion as a tool to divide and conquer. it really has nothing to do with jesus, it has everything to do with mankind
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:19 PM
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11. Would Jesus have approved of Hitler?
I think not. But what of Martin Luther, Hitler's hero? Luther had preached to burn down the synagogues and Hitler said Luther was "the greatest antisemite of his time, the warner of his people against the Jews." Martin Luther wrote a book entitled The Jews and Their Lies:

First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire...

Second, that all their books-- their prayer books, their Talmudic writings, also the entire Bible-- be taken from them, not leaving them one leaf, and that these be preserved for those who may be converted...

Third, that they be forbidden on pain of death to praise God, to give thanks, to pray, and to teach publicly among us and in our country...

Fourth, that they be forbidden to utter the name of God within our hearing. For we cannot with a good conscience listen to this or tolerate it...


-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

He who hears this name from a Jew must inform the authorities, or else throw sow dung at him when he sees him and chase him away.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews' synagogues and forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God's name? They will still keep doing it in secret. If we know that they are doing this in secret, it is the same as if they were doing it publicly. For our knowledge of their secret doings and our toleration of them implies that they are not secret after all and thus our conscience is encumbered with it before God.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven from our country.

-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)


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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 07:10 PM
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25. I knew about Hitler somewhat , but
did not know about Martin Luther, or rather I should say I didn't remember it. I remember my father talking about ML but I was young then and who listens to everything their father says, except for the negative things. ;)

Serously, I knew about anti-semitism in the churchs but did not think about it coming from anywhere but just them always saying that the Jews had killed Jesus. I didn't realize there was text that was written that blantantly called for their persecution. Thank you for showing us this, and doing so in such a way without mallice. I have learned a lot and been reminded of things I already knew, and even was reminded why somethings happened. If that sentence does not make sense, I'm sorry, but I know what I mean. :blush:

Anyway, thank you all for this thread and the information in it.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 07:23 PM
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29. You're welcome
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I_Make_Mistakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 04:14 AM
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35. Your post #11 is so disappointingly disingenuous that, it shocks
me. If one looks at Christianity from a historical context, the majority of Christians (except the Orthodox split in circa 1000 ) until the Reformation, were Roman Catholic.
That's right, the Reformation (the Protestant Movement (note: PROTEST in Protestant)) was bourne from discontent with the inconsistencies in the Roman teachings.

Martin Luther was a Roman Catholic monk and shared the anti-semetism commonly held by basically the entire Christian population during that time.

If you want emphasize the importance of Hitler's claim of Christianity, I understand that, but, if you are really interested in an accurate historical context, then, perhaps you should study the Christian church and it's development to balance the picture.

I wasn't going to log in this morning, but that misrepresentation of Luther really ticked me off. I am a Lutheran ELCA (liberal side) from an RC family, so, just understand that he was a direct reflection of the stage of Christianity during that period of time.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 09:56 AM
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37. I was wondering when someone would respond to The Jews and Their Lies post
You are correct, at the time Luther was a Roman Catholic. Neither Catholic nor Protestant was mentioned in the post however.

It is most unfortunate that Luther wrote The Jews and Their Lies for both churches, so I understand why they would want to cover it up so badly.

My own point of view is that the Christian Church got off course when they rejected the Essene Jesus in the second and third centuries.

The Essene Jesus was very interesting. No miracles, raw food diet and lots of scholarship and clean, communal living. Google Essenes.

Texts from the Nestorians translated from the original Aramaic are the oldest Gospels but they were nevertheless not accepted in the Nicean Council of 325.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 11:51 AM
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41. If Hitler was Catholic - Luther was NOT his hero. What he liked
about Luther was that he was the first to translate the Bible into German thus preserving the language. Luther never claimed to be perfect - just the opposite. He considered himself "sinful and unclean" and in need of forgiveness. Though he shared the European attitude toward Jews and any other foreigner I do not think he would have fallen for Hitler because it was obvious that from the first Hitler took what he wanted from any body of literature to build his own religion.

Also I suggest that no one can know for sure what ones inner beliefs are: thus we do not know if Hitler was Catholic or atheist. What we do know is that he was Nazi.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:38 PM
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23. Or perhaps the megalomaniac worshipped himself: he certainly ..
.. seems to have insisted on everybody else worshipping him.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:22 PM
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13. WTF?
You wrote, "Few today know the fact that Adolf Hitler and the Nazis used Christianity to scapegoat the Jews and use anti-Semitism to ascend the ladder of power."

That's widely known - you just learn about it now?

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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:26 PM
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16. I have told several people about this and none had any idea.
And when Tim Russert heard Rick Warren say Hitler was an atheist and so religion cannot be held responsible in any way for the Holocaust, it was only a few weeks ago.

People have forgotten. Go ahead and ask some people around you if they know of this. Be interesting to find out in a poll really.

I did not remember this until Rick Warren said Hitler was an atheist on MTP, and then I started asking around...
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:29 PM
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18. Intellectuals, people who read, know this.
Many others do not. A few years ago I was teaching a college ethics class and found out that several of my students did not know that 6 million Jews were killed for being Jews in WWII. I learned about this in 7th grade, apparently they first learned about it when I brought Holocaust survivors to a class session in 1995.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 12:01 PM
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42. Unfortunately many schools no longer teach anything other
than that we won WWII. None of the ideology that brought it on.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 01:37 AM
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33. I've met people who don't believe we went to the moon
but that doesn't mean few believe we went to the moon.

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DIKB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 08:10 AM
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36. The difference being
many fundamentalist-christians/radical-republicans claim Hitler was an atheist and a "Disciple of Darwinism." They Compare his encouragement of selective breeding of an Aryan master race to evolution/atheism. These people are loud and completely ignorant of the fact that passive eugenics has NOTHING to do with evolution by natural selection.

Given that the Holocaust is blamed on him, and he is seen as a monster.

In their view:

Hitler = Monster

Christian = Good Person

People want to believe they could never have been like Hitler. This illusion is so much easier to believe, if you think he believed differently than you.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:30 PM
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20. Clumsy sentence. People know he used anti-semitism but not Christianity so directly in his speeches
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:22 PM
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14. Feminist theologian Rosemary Radford Ruether wrote a book
on this subject- actually it was her doctoral dissertation. Its called Faith and Fratricide: The Theological Roots of Anti-Semitism (published in 1974). I read it cover to cover many years ago and its excellent.

http://www.amazon.com/Faith-Fratricide-Rosemary-Radford-Ruether/dp/0965351750
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:25 PM
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15. some background...


http://nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

Hitler Oath:

I swear by God,
this holy oath,
to the Führer of the German Reich and people.
Adolf Hitler...
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:28 PM
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17. That is some picture. If this were taught in school we would have a different country right now
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:30 PM
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19. Check out the site...
Edited on Sun Jan-07-07 06:34 PM by formercia
lots more there.

The Third Reich, brought to you by the Knights of Malta.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 07:26 PM
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30. You can see where the fundie christian right
first got their start.

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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 03:21 AM
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34. The fundies use the "No true Scotsman" fallacy
to explain away Hitler's Christianity.
They say Hitler was not a true Christian. Logical fallacy.

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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 02:20 PM
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46. More pictures:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:35 PM
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21. Another excellent read "They Thought They Were Free"
Edited on Sun Jan-07-07 06:38 PM by truedelphi
A lot of people on DU have read this one.

But for those who haven't, get it (I think author's name was Karl Meyer or Myer)

The author moved to Germany in early 1950's and while pretending to be a non-Jew,
befriended people who the author believed to have been the typical German person alive and active during the Thrid Reich.

He choose ten of these Germans to portray in the book, and they run the gamut of personalities. Among the ten is one individual so fanatical that he helped start a fire at a Synagogue on Kristelnacht; as well as someone who helped sneak his Jewish friends and colleagues out of the country.

The fanatic details how after he became entrenched in the Nazi movement - he abandonned his own Christian religion, even leaving his little daughter's bedroom at night when she said her bedtime prayers.

His only loyalty was to Hitler.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:36 PM
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22. The Nazified church apparently used a special Bible from which Jewish influences had been "purged"
This included removing words such as Sabaoth, Jehova, Hallelujah, and Jerusalem. And the "Ten Commandments" expanded to twelve, including "Honor Thy Fuhrer":

From Bild (7? August 2006):

Bei ihm gab es 12 Gebote
Hitler ließ die Bibel umschreiben
Von PAUL C. MARTIN

... „Deutsche mit Gott – ein deutsches Glaubensbuch“.

Darin Zwölf statt der traditionellen Zehn Gebote mit Vorschriften wie „Halte das Blut rein!“ oder „Ehre Führer und Meister!“ ...

http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news/aktuell/2006/08/07/hitler-bibel-umschreiben/hitler-bibel-umschreiben.html
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 06:59 PM
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24. Hitler propaganda poster. Notice the bird (stylized dove), and the blessings of light from above.


The caption is "Long Live Germany."
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 07:14 PM
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26. this is how i know that religion is a lie.
when i took comparative religion in high school i realized that people everywhere saw god in their own likeness. they were talking to themselves.
i can imagine, can you?
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 09:07 PM
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31. Why was this moved out of GD? Who was the last person to post
in GD?

Is there some way to get it moved back -- I haven't even read it yet and firmly believe that it contains important information most people should be aware of. To pawn it off in the Religion and Theology forum is simply -- well, wrong. (I actually have at least one much stronger word for it, but I'll leave that one out of this.)
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-07-07 10:12 PM
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32. It's not right I agree
this should be in GD so it can make the top 10 and more read it.

No one knows about this!

#30 was last one in GD...
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 01:45 PM
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45. I finally found the list of moderators and sent an email to one of
them, just after posting here, but haven't heard back.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 03:42 PM
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48. "I haven't even read it yet and firmly believe that it contains important information"
I love notes like this.

Recommendations and opinions on things not yet read.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 11:29 AM
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38. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Hitler used whatever
he could to sway the people and in a nation full of "christians" he would have naturally used what they wanted to hear. If he had been in present day Iraq or Iran it would have been Islam that he would have twisted. Thinking for ones self is one of the most important rights we have. When you hear hate spewed from any source: Stop, Think.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 06:38 PM
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50. That is the point of this post, jwirr, thank you!
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Mrspeeker Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 12:15 PM
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43. He used Ford, GM, GE and IBM too
to build his army and they where all willing to do so, but hey don't let that bother you!
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 02:58 PM
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47. And Morgan, Coca Cola, Dupont
Or maybe they used him. Hitler died but corporations profited greatly.

And then nazi spies ended up spying for the US against the USSR immediately after WW2 - virtually no US agents were involved. Nazis -who had just lost a war- ended up playing a key role in the start of the next war.
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Brentos Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 01:32 PM
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44. Interesting.
Thanks! It is always good to learn more of history, and I didn't know much of this.

In fact, if you read the Bible, many in the Bible did the same. King David was just as vicious as Hitler, but that is not what God wanted (it's in the prophets). Most conquerors throughout time have used religion, law, or something to give meaning to their expansionist and controlling ways, whether they believed it or not.

But, this does not detract from the teachings of Jesus in any way. Bad people prove the teachings/rules, not negate them. Had Hitler followed the teaching of Jesus, would he have acted as he did? And by the teachings of Jesus, I don't mean to take out of context one or two line, but truly follow the meaning of Jesus' word. (The same could be true for many religions/philosophies. If people really followed the intention and not the literal, things would be much better)
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-08-07 06:36 PM
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49. Thanks for this, that's why the headline How Hitler USED Christianity
But it makes you realize how Rush Limbaugh, the Christian Coalition and the Republican right-wingers are hurtling down the same track with their hate talk.
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Brentos Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-09-07 11:42 AM
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51. Excellent points!
Even as a Christian, it bothers me immensely to see the doctrinal religion used in various ways. Really bothers me. They need to go back and *study* their scriptures, not just read and chery-pick.
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