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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:04 PM
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Jesus had a weird sense of humor - always using puns for example
("Thou art Peter and upon this rock..") Does this make him unique among great spiritual leaders?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:08 PM
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1. Peter and "rock." Yes. There was a pretty bright light burning in the
guy's brain.

Did you by chance read the Umberto Eco novel THE NAME OF THE ROSE?

On character, a blind monk, the venerable Jorge, asserts that Christ did not laugh; therefore laughter is a sin.

He is challenged by a fairly enlighted Franciscan, who agrees with your post.

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:08 PM
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2. I don't think it's really a pun. It's more like saying, to Tiger Woods,
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 01:19 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
"You are Tiger, and this "tigre" is going to make me a bundle of dough, if he vindicates my confidence in his golfing prowess in the way he normally does."

But Jesus certainly had a sharp sense of humour. Very Jewish. Very ironical, black humour. Remember when Yahweh was leading the Israelites in the desert, they said to Moses, "what's the matter? Weren't the tombs in Egypt good enough for us?" or words to that effect.

Much of his most acerbic humour was expressed to the scribes, Pharisees and lawyers, for example, "I have done many good works before your eyes. For which of these do you wish to kill me?"

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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:11 PM
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3. It's rather a double pun, since Peter tended to crumble at critical
moments. He was a pretty poor choice for a foundation!

(You do know that Peter's real name was Simon, right?)
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:26 PM
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4. Simon Peter, that's right.
Yes, he sure did crumble and once he went around preaching he made sure women knew their place, unlike Jesus who didn't put women in a submissive position. Peter, Paul, they hated women. Just read what they say about them in the New Testament. Any religion that puts down women is no religion for me.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:57 PM
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5. Paul, particularly, seemed to dislike women. He was REAL Old School
on that issue.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 02:08 PM
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6. Jesus didn't elevate them either, in worldly terms. They were already in a submissive position.
You have to read between the lines to realise how honoured women were and are in his eyes.

A group of women supported Jesus during his ministry as an indigent preacher; he appeared to them first after his resurrection, although, consistent with the cultural norm of his day, we are baldly informed that he appeared first to some of the men. I must say, to our ears, it sounds a bit of a cheek, to put it mildly. But it is indicative of the fact that we have had to evolve and develop spiritually, and indeed, must still.

The piety of Samuel's mother put the priest, Eli, to shame; the Angel of the Lord insisted on appearing to Samson's mother, and only his father when he was with her. I think that is intended to teach us not to have a too limited and misguided understanding of the nature of strength.

Christianity was and is mean to evolve, it was not essentially revolutionary, though its precepts have inspired revolutions in these days when they should never have been needed. But are you as concerned about injustices of all kinds, most notably, towards the poor? Or are you a high-earner type, or aspiring to be one, who whinges about glass ceilings?

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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 03:14 PM
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8. Injustice towards the poor? I've always been in that class.
High earner type...glass ceilings....ha, ha....more like a glass bottom boat. Stop drawing conculusions.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 03:14 PM
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9. Injustice towards the poor? I've always been in that class.
High earner type...glass ceilings....ha, ha....more like a glass bottom boat. Stop drawing conculusions.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 01:52 PM
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23. No, it wasn't rhetorical. I was enquiring. Though I'm still not clear
Edited on Thu Apr-05-07 01:58 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
how you feel about the "rights" of high-earning women to be accorded favours by their male superiors, though they'll snort at having the door held open for them. Gallantry towards them, expressed in mega-dollars, is not simply acceptable, apparently, but a moral duty. I wonder how the majority of those disgruntled, high-flying women feel about trade unions?

One thing I have noticed recently, though, is that it seems to be women, individual women, who seem most prepared to blow the whistle on corruption. Apart from Sible Edmonds, there was a woman at Enron, an accountant, and someone more recently I can't bring to mind.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:34 PM
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11. So, religion needs Viagra more than it needs a Vatican?
;-)
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 02:12 PM
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7. "I didn't say 'Why hast thou foresaken me?' What I said was--"
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 02:12 PM by kenny blankenship
"Why not now bake a cake for me? See I wasn't accusing anybody. Big misunderstanding! Seriously if you could get me down off of this thing, now would not be too soon... Hello?"
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 03:21 PM
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10. I was just curious if any other major religious figure was noted
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 03:24 PM by hedgehog
for having a sense of humor, and I am still in the dark. On the othe hand, I think I've established that jusst about any question about Jesus or Christianity is an invitation for random criticisms. How did St. Paul get on to this thread, anyways?
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:55 PM
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13. yes, the laughing buddha! He comes back at the end of the cycle.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 05:06 PM
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14. Depends on whom you consider a "major" figure
Muslims have Nasrudin. He doesn't just have a sense of humor, humor is his oeuvre.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:08 PM
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16. So tell me more about Nasrudin
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 03:47 AM
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26. Folkloric mullah
He's popular enough that several countries claim him as an historic native son. You can even visit his grave plot in Turkey. Star of his own tales, he's the impish buffoon who knows more than he lets on. If you've heard stories like the drunk who searches for his keys under the streetlamp because the light is better, or the horseback fool racing around town looking for his horse, you've heard Nasrudin-style jokes. Wikipedia provides a decent overview:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasreddin
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 07:55 AM
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27. "Maybe I can teach the damn horse to fly!"
My favorite.

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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 05:41 AM
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19. L. Ron Hubbard
He used to joke about starting a religion.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:35 PM
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12. Did Jesus know Greek?
Or Latin? Just how many languages did Jesus know?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 06:52 PM
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15. At least 2, although they were fairly similar:
Hebrew and Aramaic.

There's an argument that 'carpenter' wasn't a lowly job, but a trade between modern day carpenter and cabinetmaker: "Carpenters" did almost anything, from frames for houses to making inlaid jewelry boxes. The argument continues that given where he was, an a large Roman community nearby, that he would have known some Latin.

If this argument is true, he probably also knew more than a bit of Greek--in any event, Greek wasn't uncommon in the area, and it would be damned handy for dealing with non-Jews--it was the lingua franca for the Eastern Mediterranian.

Monolingualism is mostly a modern thing, even if the nature of bilingualism over the ages is a bit overstated.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 02:05 PM
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24. I read that a carpenter in those days would have been more like
Edited on Thu Apr-05-07 02:07 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
an odd-job man. That sounds more plausible to me.

If he'd coveted any kind of status, other than that of an honest hard-working man, the sky would have been the limit. The Epistles of Peter suggest to me that Jesus was more working-class in his outlook than Peter, who, unlike John, was a plain fisherman.
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 09:15 PM
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17. I've always wondered,
given the other meaning of didymos (testicle) whether one of the Apostles wasn't being nicknamed the equivalent of Ballsy Tom.
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 12:34 AM
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18. How's that square up with doubting Thomas?
If I were more clever, I'd make a joke about him shrinking when it was cold, or something. But I'm not.
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 09:35 AM
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22. Well, the other possibility,
given that it's didymos, not didymoi,is that Tom was singular in more ways than his doubts. Maybe it should be Tommy One Ball.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 02:08 PM
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25. Didimus (Diego, Didier) meant "twin". So I could see the possibility of
Edited on Thu Apr-05-07 02:13 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
a semantic connection.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 06:56 AM
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20. No.
A person needs only to have an introductory level understanding of the symbolic language used by the people of his culture to understand why he said that.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-05-07 07:59 AM
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21. *If* he even said it,
or instead it was the writers who came decades later.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 09:52 PM
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28. I would expect the writers to have cleaned up any humor in order
to make Jesus more respectable. The fact that the puns survive sugggest that he used them a lot.
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