Catholic Church makes it official: Christ did not die for our sins....

And there is no forgiveness or redemption available to gays.

"A member of the Greater San Diego Business Association and owner of two gay bars has been denied a funeral at the University of San Diego and in any Catholic church or chapel in the Diocese of San Diego." <snip>

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=312&e=2&u=/sddt/20050318/lo_sddt/dioceseofsandiegodeniescatholicfuneralritestobarow

1. So sorry he was a catholic; I say that the same way I would say so sorry they didn't bury a Jew for Jesus either.

and

2. Fuck the catholic diocese of San Diego. They are within their rights to discriminate any way they want, but technically, and in terms of that religion, this is the same thing as saying they don't want him buried in hallowed ground and his soul will burn in hell forever.

They've declared war on us quite openly; I think it is only appropriate fair that we can evince our opinions of them with the same passion.

But hey, why let facts get in the way of a good bash?

:eyes:

It shouldn't matter if you're a murderer, rapist or a car salesman.

post modern fundies -- yes, even catholic fudies, are trying to change that.

It says it clearly, and they are clearly NOT the reasons given in the opening post.

but the only businesses he owned were nightclubs. So nightclub owning is a mortal sin?

yet they're buried on sacred ground.

St. Olaf granted sainthood for "converting" the Nords....at the edge of an ax blade.

I'm not going to be baited.

I really want to know what you are talking about.

it's pretty clear that the diocese is being unreasonable. If you think they are being reasonable, then say so and explain why.

The specific hateful language is: "People would be scandalized that the church granted a funeral to a person who had this type of business activity."

So in a completely Catholic parish this person would not even get a funeral. Saying I hate the catholic church is not an attack on you personally, so you shouldn't take it that way. You may be a person of great moral and personal virtue but the organization of the church reaches far outside the church to condemn and judge and even involve themselves in politics that impact the lives of people who despise the church as much as it despises us, and I am specifically talking about the gay community.

When the Catholic church tells me that I can't get buried as a catholic for being gay or any other "scandal" it can pull out of its ass, it's one thing, but this church also wants to tell me as a non-catholic that I can't get married to the person I love or guarantee the financial security of my family because I'm gay. The catholic church is my mortal enemy as long as it continues to spout this medieval rhetoric and act upon it.

We don't need more doublespeak and evasions from that group of medieval idiots. The pope has made us his devil and has endangered us with his medieval pronouncements. He and his deserve nothing but the profoundest contempt from us.

"A 1996 graduate of USD, McCusker's family wanted to have the funeral service there, but was denied after church officials received information about him and his businesses." Sounds to me like they are not giving him his burial because he was gay and had gay bars. Furthermore, ""His business is adult entertainment, which is inconsistent with Catholic teaching" Valdivia said....But, according to Valdivia, the Catholic Church does not consider all bars and clubs "adult entertainment.""

Seems clear to me what the reasons are. What are they to you?

in a more loving and welcoming atmosphere.

I guess sexually abusing a student and lying about it is OK, but owning gay bars is not.
http://www.sandiegosnap.org/BishopList.html

San Diego – Bishop Robert Brom was accused of coercing a student into a sexual relationship at a seminary in Minnesota, where he once was rector and later headed the Diocese of Duluth. Church officials acknowledged multiple settlements to seminarians as a result of abuse allegations involving other members of the hierarchy and priests but deny the validity of the claims. Brom paid a confidential settlement (reported to be $85,000.00) to his accuser, who agreed to retract his claim against Brom. Brom has stated the pay out was "minimal insurance" to help his accuser of getting on with his life. The deal was reached in 1993 but didn't become public until this spring. Bishop Brom continues to deny wrongdoing and remains on the job

"His business is adult entertainment, which is inconsistent with Catholic teaching" Valdivia said. "People would be scandalized that the church granted a funeral to a person who had this type of business activity."

This really makes me want to puke. Like doing nothing FOR DECADES about the rampant pedophilia within the church sends the 'right' MSG!