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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:08 PM Original message |
The sole fundamental of atheism: no belief in deities. |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. And so how do you explain an agnostic? n/t |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Not my job. I leave it to agnostics to explain themselves. |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. You led with the OP... So yes it is your job... Why do some people believe... |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Then agnosticism is "atheism plus" |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:13 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. blah blah blah |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. fundamental laziness? |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I wouldn't know about that |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. (A)gnosticism and (A)theism are not mutually exclusive. |
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rusty quoin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. That is Thom Hartmann's argument too. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
8. There is no content to atheism except anti-religion |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I don't think that's true at all. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. What business are atheists in, exactly? |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. You don't like liberal religion? |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #17 |
30. Thank you for a colossally unhelpful post |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:34 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. It has been my experience on DU |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 08:53 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Not so |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. I told you what my experience here has been at DU |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Not So II |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
12. Non-belief that is fundamental IS belief |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I feel obligated to say something in response, but given the position you have staked out |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. It's not a position. It's simple reason. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Actually Dawkins does leave room for doubt. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. That's just semantic dancing |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Uncertainty isn't binary |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. And that entire assertion is nothing but a formulation of subjective information |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Which assertion is "nothing but a formulation of subjective information"? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
53. Why such an attitude? |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
47. You opened a door for me. On the purple plus golf point I now see that the reason |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. I don't think you've ever read my explanation of why deities do not exist. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. They are your reasons, interpreted from your perspective, deduced by your own mind |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Do you believe that your own reasoning is not based on necessary presuppositions? |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I'm not making absolute assertions based on it. You are. |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Alright then, since I won't see you around here, fare thee well! |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. One reason it never "comes to any good purpose" for you... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
14. Pedantry doesn't serve to advance the conversation. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. It's not "invoking" anything |
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hyphenate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
18. And yet Chris Hedges in his book, American Fascists |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Chirs Hedges is a dick like that |
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hyphenate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. I have seen much |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
49. Hedges expanded his thoughts on atheists in another book |
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agent46 (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
37. Was Aeschylus a Fundie? |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. If you are going to say "the gods are real," for clarity's sake you should add |
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agent46 (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #48 |
56. Yes that's right |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
39. If you don't believe in god, aren't you also likely to not believe in fairies? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. What do likelihood and correlation have to do with anything? |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Some ideas are logically deduced from other ideas |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Many ideas are correlated, but it does not necessarily hold that a believer |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. That's not what deduction means |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. And formal logic has little, if anything, to do with human cognition. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. "The planets |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. That's redundant. It's nothing that isn't wholly contained in the disbelief of God. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 05:45 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. No, this is exactly what deduction is -- one logical step at a time |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. You ran off the rails. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. So god is not a deity? |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Basic English |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I just got it! You've learned a new tactic! |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Strictly speaking, there is no connection. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 07:34 PM Response to Reply #39 |
54. That begs the question |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
51. perhaps the problem is less with fundamentalists |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I hope not. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. there *is* always the possibility |
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