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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:46 PM Original message |
Vatican to push women to wear the veil (like the Taliban) |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
1. Please do this, this will be the nail in the coffin of Catholicism. |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Why? It is a tradition that is still carried out in Italy. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:59 PM Original message |
This is the sort of "modesty" that has cost the lives of many women that defied the patriarchy |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
19. Um, this isn't a burka or however you spell it. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. So you want the American Catholic Church to become more like the Spanish Church |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. They still wear headcoverings in Mexico, Italy, Etc. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
41. Why would God care what people are wearing anyway? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
52. Have you ever endured the special humiliation |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #52 |
81. I think the men advocating this should be wearing the t.p. on THEIR heads, |
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Peregrine Took (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #81 |
103. Back in the day we used to use kleenex, church bulletins, etc. and plop them |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
59. Women would still be free, presumably to wear flip flops and show their |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Doubtful. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
80. If men such as the "Knight" like the veil so much, THEY should wear them. |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. It won't fly with the rest of the world. |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. In Catholic Tradition, women covered their heads.... |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. If you can find a spiritual reason to do that then I'll won't say anymore. |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. It started with Saint Veronica... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. The Virgin Mary wore a veil? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 01:21 AM Response to Reply #51 |
86. Catholic women's veils didn't cover their faces. And the veil was often |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #51 |
92. Orthodox Jewish women wear a wig OR a scarf in public |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. Except that is the myth part of the spirituality. |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 04:57 AM Response to Reply #48 |
88. What happened to that cloth with Jesus face on it? |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
49. It started with Saint Veronica... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Veronica was a Roman woman. |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. I was just giving you the reason the church believes it. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #22 |
79. It may not be as extreme in appearance, but the symbolism is the same. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-13-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
102. It looks like a lace Hajib to me... |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. Where are the head coverings for the men? Shouldn't they be modest, too? |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
57. I have no idea why it is only the priests that still do this and men are not required to. |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
53. An abaya is just placed over a woman's body. A chador just covers face, head and body. |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #53 |
64. I don't really see how this is anyway like Islam... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
56. How does a scarf on the head equate with modesty? |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. No. |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 05:02 AM Response to Reply #67 |
89. How do you know what Mary wore? |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. "...And ya gotta wear them while barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, too." - Papastocricy |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. A return to the old Leviticus tradition of keeping menstruating women out of theTemple |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. This will not go that far. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. Because the Church is frequently rediculous. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
58. Paul? The ancient equivalent of people who see Elvis in the supermarket? |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 05:07 AM Response to Reply #58 |
90. Some have expressed that he appears to have been stuck by lightning. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
3. They really have their finger on what's important in this world right now |
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MrScorpio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
4. My wife is Catholic... I can't see her shopping for a veil |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
96. LOL. We'll see her right back to grabbing a tissue out of her bag |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. I'm too young to remember that |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. They can be, for sure. And as I said elsewhere in this thread |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. It's the same here |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. It was a head covering, not a veil - at least in the U.S. It should be a choice, not an order. |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. Go for it. I'm sure that will help your cause. |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
7. I was raised Catholic and when I was a little girl (in the 60s), we |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Kleenex has been seen on women's heads |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
55. Oh, good grief, that thing's a VEIL? |
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DesertRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
9. It wasn't a face covering! |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I liked them when I was a child |
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DesertRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I liked them too. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
10. Lol, not like the Taliban! |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Exactly. |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. That's because religion is just a means to control people. |
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YellowRubberDuckie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. I don't know. |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. Good, moral, spiritual people can come from anywhere. |
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Shardik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. Unfortunately, religion is ridiculous. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. Yes, but the wearing of costumes or adornments is kind of benign. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. Um, what do the men have to wear over their heads? Just curious. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Men were exactly the opposite. They were required to remove any |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Oh I see. It still makes absolutely no sense. BTW, I am an ex-Catholic. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #38 |
68. Odd mix of rationales and traditions, that. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-10-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #68 |
87. Uneducated guess: men took off hats to prove |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
17. eeek I had to do that as a kid and when I forgot my veil |
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zehnkatzen (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
18. Not like the Taliban at all, actually. |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 05:30 AM Response to Reply #18 |
91. John XXIII realized that the Church had to move into the 20th century. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
23. Okay, I just read 1st Corinthians Chapter 11, so I could see the context of this Bible verse |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. In antiquity, people shaved their heads to control lice & other parasites. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. What does this tell me about your user name? |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. I come by my baldness honestly; my scalp is exposed due to genetics. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
39. "The wife doesn’t have authority over her own body" |
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JitterbugPerfume (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
25. I bought a black lace one ( head covering)when I was a teen |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
29. I remember a grandma pinning a kleenex to my head. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
99. See? I'm not the only one! nt |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
30. What's next? Magical underwear? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
72. Magical dildos perhaps... |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Remember - these are Catholics we're talking about. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
33. Raised a Catholic I lived at a time when we were forced to wear something like |
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madaboutharry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
34. These same traditions exist is Judaism. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Apparently the Vatican wants to get rid of the option |
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canetoad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
45. Who could ever forget Tom Lehrer? |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
47. In conservative to orthodox synagogues, head coverings are worn by both men |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
61. I have a great idea for a new homebased business for myself, |
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wellstone dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
65. As a practicing Catholic woman let me say, |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
66. You need the go-ahead from the Vatican to wear a mantilla? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #66 |
75. By the deeds of Cardinal Law and his pals |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
69. That one always made me laugh - "Wearing a veil because of the angels..." |
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MgtPA (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
70. When I grew up (in the 60's), we had to wear them. Of course, we often saw photos like this... |
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elshiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. Awwww, I like that picture. |
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frebrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
71. Say What??? |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
73. nobody is stopping these twits from wearing veils. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
74. The veil is needed |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
77. It is still optional and not yet mandatory again (hopefully not but who knows) |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. I am sure that Mel Gibson is just ecstatic about this |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
78. This is some right-wing blogger pushing the veil, not the Vatican. |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Oh my face is red... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-09-08 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
82. A mantilla is not a burka and ignorance is not a virtue. |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
93. This is not like the Taliban |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
94. Like we Orthodox still do? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-11-08 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
95. Oh good grief. |
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shrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
101. This blog post is nearly a year old, dated from Dec., 2007 |
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