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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:05 PM
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The End Of Christian America
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 08:13 PM by DeSwiss
The End Of Christian America

By Jon Meacham | NEWSWEEK
Published Apr 4, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Apr 13, 2009




It was a small detail, a point of comparison buried in the fifth paragraph on the 17th page of a 24-page summary of the 2009 American Religious Identification Survey. But as R. Albert Mohler Jr.—president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, one of the largest on earth—read over the document after its release in March, he was struck by a single sentence. For a believer like Mohler—a starched, unflinchingly conservative Christian, steeped in the theology of his particular province of the faith, devoted to producing ministers who will preach the inerrancy of the Bible and the Gospel of Jesus Christ as the only means to eternal life—the central news of the survey was troubling enough: the number of Americans who claim no religious affiliation has nearly doubled since 1990, rising from 8 to 15 percent.

Then came the point he could not get out of his mind: while the unaffiliated have historically been concentrated in the Pacific Northwest, the report said, "this pattern has now changed, and the Northeast emerged in 2008 as the new stronghold of the religiously unidentified." As Mohler saw it, the historic foundation of America's religious culture was cracking.

"That really hit me hard," he told me last week. "The Northwest was never as religious, never as congregationalized, as the Northeast, which was the foundation, the home base, of American religion. To lose New England struck me as momentous." Turning the report over in his mind, Mohler posted a despairing online column on the eve of Holy Week lamenting the decline—and, by implication, the imminent fall—of an America shaped and suffused by Christianity.

"A remarkable culture-shift has taken place around us," Mohler wrote. "The most basic contours of American culture have been radically altered. The so-called Judeo-Christian consensus of the last millennium has given way to a post-modern, post-Christian, post-Western cultural crisis which threatens the very heart of our culture." When Mohler and I spoke in the days after he wrote this, he had grown even gloomier. "Clearly, there is a new narrative, a post-Christian narrative, that is animating large portions of this society," he said from his office on campus in Louisville, Ky.

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- I for one am glad that I lived long enough to see the beginning of the end of Christianity in America. If indeed that's what this is. Personally I think most people are too frightened and ignorant to go it alone without their saviors and their teddy bears.

But what gets me with these guys like the one pontificating above, who go around blathering on and on about "cultural shifts and changes...." is that they always describe culture as if it weren't a dynamic process; but rather as some kind of static thing that always was. And always will be.

"Hey you idiot! Cultures don't stand still for nobody!!!!"

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:10 PM
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1. Be careful what you wish for. We COULD all end up writing daily confession journals to Tom Cruise.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:12 PM
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2. I don't want a Christian America
I don't want a Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan, or B'hai America.

And I am a minister in one of the above.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:33 PM
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6. "my Kingdom is not of this world"
isn't that a sufficient reply to all those dangerous morons ? All those who want a "Christian World" are betraying Jesus own words...
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:14 PM
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3. Religion (especially Christianity) hooked
it's cart to the horse of secular power, technological progress, and the economics of growth a long time ago. The chickens are on final approach and they don't need clearance to land.

Somebody'll think of something better before it's over. I'm afraid the transition may get ugly though.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:24 PM
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4. The vile, millennial Christianity that sucked people in with
promises of riches from tithing is just about over. Millennial fever has fled and the riches never materialized, except for their Lexus driving preachers. We managed not to get stuck in another, more destructive world war over the last 8 years, so the Millennialists failed to knock Jesus off his heavenly throne and force him to come back and save their asses (although if WWII didn't do it, WWIII won't).

Oh, a lot of people are still putting their butts in the pews at those mega Churches, but you can tell their hearts aren't in it any more, it's just a social thing to do a couple of times a week, gets them out of the house.

It will take a few more years, but I noticed it was starting to sputter out in 2004 when I noticed an advert for a Christian porn site. Once they start to chisel, you can bet the fad is over.
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:31 PM
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5. Can't we all just get along?
The church of Rodney King.
After he got his head caved in by the LAPD.

Truest words I've ever heard.
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walkaway Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:40 PM
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7. They are closing Holy Trinity grammer school in Hackensack
Finally.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 09:14 PM
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9. That was my grandmother's church
I remember that I liked to look at the ceiling as a kid during mass.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:48 PM
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8. A church a few miles from my office, of some sort of Christian persuasion,
is now closed and has an "Available" sign on it. I guess the congregation couldn't sustain itself and has disbanded or moved elsewhere and has to sell the place.

Of course, there is a Hindu temple being built just down the street from it. Changing local demographics, I suppose.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 09:44 PM
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10. As time goes on people see the truth about religion. And as more people are public about the truth..
the easier it is for others to publicly display their non-belief.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 06:34 PM
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11. "The End Of Christian America" the sooner the better...
I would be more happy with a far less religious America.
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