Do you believe in Angels?

I heard on TV that more people people in Angels than believe in Evolution. If that is true it explains a whole lot about present day Amerika. One word: Nutz.

-- absent his hand I think they are metaphoric beings.

Lovely little rascals, though.

I'm not sure if they look like the traditional angels of great artists, but I definitely believe in spirits who are life forms who share the planet with us humans. I believe that there are "higher" and more "evolved" and more intelligent beings that choose to interact with us from time to time.

It just works for me. :-)

but believe they are my guiding path to improve myself and my safety. Evolution, don't think so.

I see no reason to ditch the whoLe spirituaL reaLm - and I aLso see no reason to ditch science either.

after we drop the body...........

that should'nt be too hard to understand unless you think you are your body.

Lets try doing some things to your brain and find out just how much of you is spirit and just how much is brain. :evilgrin:

I always hated that problem. Oh well. While life after death is unknown, I do believe in spirit guides. I ran into a few while meditating and at my mom's funeral as she was buried. Call them angels, animals spirits, or delusion, I just know I encountered something different from the everyday.

Such experiences can have.

If we compare the brain of a living person, and the brain of a dead person, we should all be able to agree that a significant difference can be noted (with some exceptions, such as Dr. Dobson). That difference is an energy force. That energy force is something that humans recognize, but cannot explain. It is where angels are found.

Are you talking about electrical patterns travelling across neurons? We actually do understand that quite a bit. Or were you refering to something else?

is, I suppose, a subjective measure. Would you be proposing that human consciousness and electrical patterns are one and the same? Does the understanding of electricity allow people to create consciousness in a non-living brain? No, I was referring to exactly that which I said.

Are you suggesting that the electricty in the brain is the force you are talking about or are you refering to something else. If something else could you be more specific?

but they don't look any different than ordinary people-and who knows?- maybe that's all they are. But they bring an extraordinary message of hope and peace when they come into your life.

Angels in the Bible are generally scary mofos. They're not a bunch of cute little naked cherubs and crap.

When Adam and Eve discovered fuc...er, "knowledge" and got booted out of Paradise, an angel with a flaming sword was sent to bar the entrance. I think this was a sort of early version of those security guards at your local McMansion development.

When two angels decided to spend a weekend in the Las Vegas of their time, Sodom, they almost got gang-raped and ended up getting the whole place nuked.

And I'm not even going to touch the Book Of Revelation.

Standard Disclaimer: atheist. I don't have a god in this fight.

the ones I know weren't cherubs, and, I believe, both wore jeans and shirts-one was even wearing a tee-shirt that said "Toward the Fun-Transmute the Dragon Within You". Both shattered concepts that were holding me back and making me feel miserable, and I praise the One for my encounters.

One must remember that the Bible was originally written down in Semetic languages, and their use of words to convey thought is very different than, say, Greek. There is a greater use of metaphor and imagery, and not so much seperation of ideas (something can be two things at once, like light is a particle and a wave, to take an example from modern physics). I think that some of the angels referred to in the Bible are metaphors for other things, such as one's own conscience, spirit, etc.

an "either/or" type of thing. Angels, as a concept, may be considered evidece of evolution.

So how are angels, a concept with (to my knowledge) no scientific evidence to back it up, evidence of evolution, which does have science to back it up?

It's a nice concept, but I disagree that something with no scientific evidence to back it up can be evidence of a scientific concept.

Angel (from Gr. angelos) means simply a 'messenger'. Daimon is much broader and interesting consept, especially the Neoplatonic daimonology. Yup, there's mythology also outside Jewish culture...

and inject the sperm into her for the virgin birth deal?

Holy ghost is the feminine aspect of the Trinity. So it was having her Sapphic way with Mary...

We maybe see them in vision some day. It's not if, but when and what
their benefits are to life.

In recent history, Queen Elizabeth's adviser, mathematician Dr John Dee and Kelly were best known to explore angels' world and their language more than any magician. John Dee had a close encounter in 1581 with an angel or a bright light who gave him a quartz ball. This crystal ball still exists, on display at the British Museum. Dr. Dee kept careful records and made notes almost obsessively during his life time.

Dee had made significant contributions from his angels' lessons to the development of several chemistry and physic sciences in his time, although he had a strange logic of turning to supernatural forces for knowledge about the universe like Edgar Cayce in 20th century.

In his exploration of angels, they disclosed their angelic language and gave him the tools to translate letter by letter into Latin for angelic communication which the angelic and Enoch's language is unique. Both Dee and Kelly also reported their encountering with the Archangel Uriel, accompanied by Raphael and Michael...

And Jinn, oh my! :+

Angels are created of pure light, and can assume any form they require.

Evolution is a theory, based upon observation of evidence, angels, on the other hand have left no evidence that can be measured by science. So, I will admit my friend, there is no way to prove the existence of the Angels.

A scholar I read explained angels as the forces behind the 4 dimensional phenomena that we can observe, using and hiding behind "natural laws" to affect their work.

In a way, the entire universe is alive with beings of light, working behind the scenes at the speed of light. They are the force behind the photons that dance across our lawn as the sun rises, the forces behind gravity and the whisper of the wind.

They are the enacted will of the creator, the one who exists beyond the 4 dimensional universe we can observe.

And Jinn are a whole other matter... IMHO I think they will be "scientifically" found long before angels.