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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:21 PM
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Irish church knew abuse 'endemic' (there will be no criminal prosecutions though)

An inquiry into child abuse at Catholic institutions in Ireland has found church leaders knew that sexual abuse was "endemic" in boys' institutions.

It also found physical and emotional abuse and neglect were features of institutions.

Schools were run "in a severe, regimented manner that imposed unreasonable and oppressive discipline on children and even on staff".

"It documents a shameful catalogue of cruelty: neglect, physical, sexual and emotional abuse, perpetrated against children."

The five-volume study concluded that church officials encouraged ritual beatings and consistently shielded their orders' paedophiles from arrest amid a "culture of self-serving secrecy".





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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 07:44 PM
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1. Irish church, hell
The Vatican knew about it and, as always, did nothing but protect and enable pedophiles, abusers and rapists.

Gee...wonder if we'll hear even a peep of outrage about this from any of the faux-activists who protested against Barack Obama last weekend. You can be sure that Alan Keyes and Randall Terry will be conspicuously silent.
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billac Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 07:50 PM
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2. There were two paeophiles at the church where the
Southern Baptist Convention was founded, back in the late 50's-60's.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:55 PM
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3. ::facepalm::
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 08:34 PM
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4. The Catholic League (Bill Donohue) downplays the evils of child abuse
Bill Donohue must be greatly distressed right now, since a commission has blown open the doors on a long history of child abuse by the Irish Catholic Church. He's scrambling to do damage control and making a pathetic spectacle of himself. He basically belittles the trauma that those kids experienced to salvage the reputation of his beloved Catholicism…it doesn't work.

Reuters is reporting that "Irish Priests Beat, Raped Children," yet the report does not justify this wild and irresponsible claim. Four types of abuse are noted: physical, sexual, neglect and emotional. Physical abuse includes "being kicked"; neglect includes "inadequate heating"; and emotional abuse includes "lack of attachment and affection." Not nice, to be sure, but hardly draconian, especially given the time line: fully 82 percent of the incidents took place before 1970. As the New York Times noted, "many of them now more than 70 years old." And quite frankly, corporal punishment was not exactly unknown in many homes during these times, and this is doubly true when dealing with miscreants.

Regarding sexual abuse, "kissing," and "non-contact including voyeurism" (e.g., what it labels as "inappropriate sexual talk") make the grade as constituting sexual abuse. Moreover, one-third of the cases involved "inappropriate fondling and contact." None of this is defensible, but none of it qualifies as rape. Rape, on the other hand, constituted 12 percent of the cases. As for the charge that "Irish Priests" were responsible, some of the abuse was carried out by lay persons, much of it was done by Brothers, and about 12 percent of the abusers were priests (most of whom were not rapists).

The Irish report suffers from conflating minor instances of abuse with serious ones, thus demeaning the latter. When most people hear of the term abuse, they do not think about being slapped, being chilly, being ignored or, for that matter, having someone stare at you in the shower. They think about rape.

By cheapening rape, the report demeans the big victims. But, of course, there is a huge market for such distortions, especially when the accused is the Catholic Church.
The Catholic League





Whoa. The insensitive gall of the man.

It does not excuse anything to say that many of the reports are from before the 1970s. It wouldn't make the slightest difference if this report were of events in the 970s — it would still be an indictment of the casual brutality and cavalier disregard of the church for basic human rights, an indictment reinforced by the casual lack of concern given by Bill Donohue now. He ought to be howling in fury at the way the church has betrayed Christian principles (if he believes they actually have them), rather than making excuses for them.


More from PZ Myers

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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 09:44 PM
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5. The fact that so many people, including liberals, give the Catholic church money,
is difficult for me to understand.

"It documents a shameful catalogue of cruelty: neglect, physical, sexual and emotional abuse, perpetrated against children."

Otherwise decent people will still be a member of this group and give them money.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 02:12 PM
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7. Most people who give the Church money are donating for heating and cooling their church building,
keeping the lights on, paying the salary of the priest(s), janitor(s) and maybe a youth director. I found out years later that one of our priests was an abuser, but at the time I had no idea.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:53 PM
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6. Archbishop slams Irish Catholic orders over abuse
DUBLIN – Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin slammed Irish Catholic orders Monday for concealing their culpability in decades of child abuse, and said they needed to come up with much more money to compensate victims.

The comments from Martin, a veteran Vatican diplomat, were the harshest yet by a Roman Catholic leader following last week's report detailing widespread abuse in scores of church-run industrial schools from the 1930s to the 1990s.

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Martin said many church leaders remained "in denial" following a nine-year investigation by a commission, which published a devastating 2,600-page report five days ago.

He said the report documented beyond any doubt "church institutions where children were placed in the care of people with practically no morals." The last of those schools for Ireland's poorest children closed more than a decade ago.

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