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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:29 PM
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Can people intentionaly increase their wisdom, and if so, what method(s) would you suggest?
Have you ever tried to increase your own wisdom, and if so, what method did you use?

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Wisdom">Dictionary.com
wis⋅dom
–noun
1. the quality or state of being wise; knowledge of what is true or right coupled with just judgment as to action; sagacity, discernment, or insight.

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Wise">Dictionary.com
wise
–adjective
1. having the power of discerning and judging properly as to what is true or right; possessing discernment, judgment, or discretion.
2. characterized by or showing such power; judicious or prudent: a wise decision.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:29 PM
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1. seems like a religion forum is a poor place to talk wisdom lol nt
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:33 PM
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4. Aw fuck - didn't realize this was in the fuck-the-facts forum.
Sigh.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:55 PM
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18. I also didn't realize it was R/T
I never go in here exactly because of posts like yours.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:45 PM
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13. .nm
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 06:47 PM by Why Syzygy
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:30 PM
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2. I started reading at DU !!!
...and the rest is history!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:32 PM
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3. Read.
This has been another episode of Simple Answers To Simple Questions.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:34 PM
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6. Most Americans read everyday. Cerial boxes, Mike Savage books,
advertisements, etc. Are most Americans wise in your opinion?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:36 PM
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7. *yawn*
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:36 PM
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8. If you were not interested you would not post. nt
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:34 PM
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5. Knowing that it's more important to not only keep your mouth shut
but also keep your brain and ears open so you actually listen to what other people have to say and consider that they might know something you don't.

The most surefire way to an ignorant mindset is to firmly believe that you have all the answers and everyone else is an idiot, and to shout your own POV so relentlessly that you drown out everybody else.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:37 PM
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9. Reading is a good place to start, but hardly sufficient.
Knowledge doesn't necessarily equate to wisdom.

I think the definitions' suggest the best methodology - combining knowledge with thoughtfulness. Insight is not a learned trait (imo), but one can learn discernment, discretion, and prudence in action and thought.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:38 PM
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10. What should one read to increase wisdom? nt
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:52 PM
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17. Philosophy, classics, history, great works of literature, psychology...
get to know people and what makes them tick. Find a way to be of service to others and make self-less service integral to your life. Life a life of heart-felt service to find meaining in your life. Work on getting your ego out of the way and to release judgement and bias. Partake of life in a full heart-centered, joyous way. Approach experiences and other people as though they have something to give you and to teach you. Become a student of your own life. Attend to your inner life and learn from it.

And finally, recognize the wisdom grows with experience and age. If you truly desire wisdom, develop disciplines that will foster it.


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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:52 PM
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31. Everything.
Really. As much as one can, as often as one is able. I've read plenty that I've disagreed with, and much I've found distasteful, but I've never read anything that didn't give me knowledge of something - even if it was something I would have preferred not knowing!

I suppose my condition would be to read thoughtfully, rather than just accepting (or rejecting) something because of the subject addressed.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 11:35 AM
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39. Do you feel wiser for all of the books you have read? nt
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:10 PM
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40. No. Not from books.
Wisdom doesn't come from books. Knowledge comes from books, and from experience (since we can't experience everything, books provide a bridge to things we have not/can not/ will not be able to experience).

Knowledge opens your mind and that's where wisdom resides. An open mind allows new ideas to percolate; it accepts that the world isn't black/white; that few things are simply right/wrong. It comprehends the concept of 'just' not simply 'justice' and perhaps most importantly, it understands that 'perfect' and 'objective' are much more ideals than reachable goals.

I'm not that wise; I don't pretend to be - but I hope to achieve some measure of wisdom before I go to dust . . . it's nice to have a goal . . .
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:40 PM
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11. Listen to wise people and
imitate their habits.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:46 PM
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14. Seems like a plan if one can tell if someone is wise or not.
Many people seem to have a different idea about who is wise and who is foolish. A foolish person may pick another fool to imitate.

Another problem could be what is wise for one may be foolish for another.
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LuvNewcastle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 07:09 PM
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21. It's often hard to tell.
I would choose someone who, in my opinion, leads a good life. Someone who has qualities that I respect and admire, like generosity, and someone who isn't quarrelsome or petty. You might have other qualities that you admire more, and that's just fine. I think wisdom can be attained by taking many different paths.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:41 PM
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12. I just turned 62, and can't see that I have accumulated much "wisdom"
over the years. I have more knowledge and experience, but I am pretty much the same person I was as a kid.

mark
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:59 PM
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19. I'm 60
What I've learned is not to give a flying you-know-what about others' opinions of me. I do care very deeply if I hurt people, but if people don't like me for some reason or other, I move on. Life's too short.

That gives you incredible freedom, and I think that freedom gives you a sort of wisdom. Certainly, there's a difference between knowledge (which is also great) and wisdom.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 07:28 PM
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24. Yeah. This is my second childhood...
today. :P
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:51 PM
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15. I think so.
Seek integrity.

***
Positive psychology

Researchers in positive psychology have defined wisdom as the coordination of "knowledge and experience" and "its deliberate use to improve well being."<7> With this definition, wisdom can supposedly be measured using the following criteria.<4>
A wise person can discern the core of important problems.
A wise person has self-knowledge.
A wise person seems sincere and direct with others.
Others ask wise people for advice.
A wise person's actions are consistent with his/her ethical beliefs.

Measurement instruments that use these criteria have acceptable to good internal consistency and low test-retest reliability (r in the range of 0.35 to 0.67).<4>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 06:52 PM
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16. Uh, let's see...
Listen more than you talk.
Try a little more than you think you can do.
Put what you know into practice.
Always measure what you know against what you thought you would find out.
Don't repeat mistakes.

That's all I can think of offhand.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 07:07 PM
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20. No, people cannot do that -
some people know stuff, and as they live their lives, they learn.

Others are born insufferable assholes and just become more of the same as they live their lives.

But, setting out to "learn" wisdom - ha!

And when you frame the query in terms of "increase ... wisdom," you're making a very dangerous and false assumption that everyone has wisdom.

That, if you've been paying attention, is not so...............
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 07:25 PM
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23. Call me an old softie
but even people who are born insufferable assholes (how can you tell since babies are so cute) can learn to not be such assholes if they just try a little and get help from others.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 07:18 PM
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22. Wisdom comes from experience, not study.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 09:22 PM
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26. I agree with this, though I think it needs something more
a willingness to learn from that experience, perhaps. An ability to be open to that learning - even when it shows you to have been foolish.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 11:34 AM
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38. Are you rejecting the suggestions to "read" to become more wise? nt
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 09:09 PM
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25. Insight Meditation. That's its purpose.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 09:34 PM
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27. To expand a bit on how to find your wisdom...
A wise response to a situation can only follow from knowing that situation for exactly what it is. That situation cannot be viewed through the filter of preconceptions and expectations. Wisdom cannot proceed from delusion, or from habit, or from prejudice. Wisdom can only proceed from detached objectivity.

You must see things exactly as they are, unadulterated by habitual reactions and projections. By bringing this perceptual process into the full light of awareness, one becomes conscious of automatic and habitual responses to perceptual data. As soon as one becomes in any way involved in a reaction, the detached observational vantage point is immediately lost.

The difference between immediately, and almost unconsciously "becoming angry" (i.e. investing ego in the anger) and calmly observing the impulse to anger, then choosing a better response, is wisdom. It is the difference between saying "I have some anger" and saying "The anger has me." When the anger has you, there is not a chance you will act with wisdom. When you have the anger, without becoming the anger, without being swallowed up by the anger, then you can calmly and objectively consider the wisest response to the situation.

These two things: Seeing reality for what it is, without bias or prejudice, and "having an emotion" with equanimity and objectivity, while not allowing the emotion to have you; these are the two things that Insight Meditation trains you to do. Without them, wise action is not possible. With them, you will be surprised to discover how wise you already are.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:11 PM
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41. Are there emotions which do not get in the way of wisdom? Such as happiness? nt
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 03:16 PM
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42. Happiness is the goal. Happiness is your natural state after you get rid of the negative crap.
Just don't confuse "pleasure" with "happiness". They are NOT the same thing. Pleasure is a fleeting, temporary sensation. Happiness is a state of being. Too many people chase after pleasure instead of pursuing happiness. They get what they go after, but they don't get happiness.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 09:36 PM
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28. I do mindfulness meditation on a regular basis!
:hi:
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 09:41 PM
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29. Excellent! For those who don't know, Insight Meditation = Mindfulness Meditation = Vipassana. nt
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 11:33 AM
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37. Has it worked? Are you wise? nt
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vanlassie Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:22 PM
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30. I recommend the More To Life courses
www.moretolife.org

There is a process, very simple and yet very impactful, for getting to what you are believing, verifying whether it is true or not, and then taking a stand on the truth.

It changes everything about how we react (get into reactivity) when we can learn to notice the things that we are believing...much of which is just simply Not True.
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Fozzledick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 12:27 AM
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32. Become a Socratic fool
Before Socrates became a philosopher, he believed he was a fool. All his friends told him he was a fool, the men he did business with called him a fool, and his wife told him what a fool he was every day, so he took it for granted that since they all agreed, they must be right.

But he thought to himself, maybe even a fool can learn a little wisdom if he listens to what wise men have to say. So he sought out the reputed wisest men in Athens to teach him. They were generally happy to oblige such a humble student, but as he listened to them expound their philosophies he realized they were all fools as well, only they thought they were wise.

And so he finally realized that he was the wisest man in Athens, since all men were fools but most believed themselves wise, while he at least knew that he was a fool.

Realizing that you are a fool is therefore the first step toward attaining true wisdom. :evilgrin:
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 04:22 AM
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33. Thanks n/t
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 07:06 AM
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34. +1 Very good nt
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 08:15 AM
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35. Every fourth level you get to add one point...
...to an ability score. Just chose wisdom all of the time. :)
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-20-09 11:30 AM
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36. Awesome. nt
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