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chaplainM Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:39 PM
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His Holiness
Up until this current Pope, I'd never known the press to refer to His Holiness by anything other than the papal name, e.g., Pope John XXIII, Pope Paul VI, etc. For some reason, the current Pope is often referred to by his leagl name, Ratzinger. Any idea why?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:41 PM
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1. It's pronouncable, unlike JPII's name? Just a guess. Or his high profile under that name before
he was pope.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:43 PM
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2. Because it's fun to say "Ratzinger?"
I thought this was going to be a Dalai Lama thread.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:45 PM
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4. Me too . . .
. . . HH fits the Dali Lama. Somehow it just doesn't fit this pope.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:49 PM
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7. I'm a bit uncomfortable calling the DL "His holiness". I've always thought it was a translation ...
... thing. We don't really mean Holy in the same sense that the papists use it, ie a direct link to God. We mean respected in a nonmagical way. Don't we?
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:57 PM
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9. To me . . .
. . . it's a recognition both of his office and of the years of work he has done and where that has taken him. Holy in the Eastern tradition is a totally different meaning than the Western sense. More having to do with elevation of consciousness and fullness of heart.
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:43 PM
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3. Really?
Interesting, I did know the press was labeling him in such a manner. Calling him by his last name is usually something reserved DUers as a derogatory gesture. Do you have any links or examples?
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:47 PM
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5. Cuz it's a subtle way to call him a rat!
And the name fits.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:47 PM
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6. Isn't there a word for a word that means what it sounds like?
Like if my surname was Tubman. Or Jimmy Durante's surname were Schnozzman.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:59 PM
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10. Onomatopoeia
Which, ironically enough, is a word that doesn't sound much like anything...
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:50 PM
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8. He's pretty much universally disliked
by people chafing under the misguided rule of yet another arch conservative pope.

That would be my guess, anyway.

People want another John XXIII. They keep getting men to the right of Genghis Khan.
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 04:03 PM
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11. Because what IS his Papal Name?
Benedict.

When was the last time you met a person named Benedict? How many famous Benedicts can you think of?

Oh that's right, Arnold...

The press is playing it safe. If you'll notice, they ALWAYS refer to the office first, as in 'Pope Ratzinger', but more often then that they try their damndest to avoid using his name at all, and just call him 'The Pope.'

I COULD be way off base here, but I think the fact that referring to him as Benedict in a nation so...knee-jerkable, for lack of a better word...as ours, could very well make it seem like they were calling him a traitor.

Or maybe they just don't like him. :)
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