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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:21 PM Original message |
How did the gods of early human society evolve into the God of today? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. Have you read any Joseph Campbell? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. You mean the mythos was always the same? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Not Exactly |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I'm sorry, I keep getting distracted by Edie Sedgwick. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. It's Edie with a little leg |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Now her I could believe in. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Yes, true that... |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. it`s edie...i checked the image |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. If a god or gods are real, then she or it are. Unchanging -- who knows? |
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targetpractice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. Propagation of the written holy texts... |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. But for almost all of human history, it was this process with oral tradition. |
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targetpractice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
22. The widespread proliferation of monotheism is fairly modern |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
4. Of course, as an atheist, I think the modern theist is "as much of a |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. And many believers see atheists as the saps. |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
6. Government/Ruling class intervention |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
7. The practice of medicine has evolved. Biological facts have not. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Hear, hear! |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
13. I am the lord thy God. Though shalt have no other God before me. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
18. Girard's theory: |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. I agree with his claim that: |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Yes, I do. The antidote is positive mimesis--choosing a non-violent |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 07:54 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. My concern with that is that I'm not sure violence is cultural. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-05-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Girard says that violence is the consequence of negative mimesis. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. This sounds somewhat like a nature/nurture argument. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-06-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. _Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World_ is one of Girard's many books. |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
19. You should specify which "god of today" you are referring to. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I meant the modern god we usually talk about in this forum. |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Okay |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. So Maori and Pawnee are less evolved theologically speaking? |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Huh? What? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I know. That wasn't fair. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Minor point--"yahweh" is a 19th century invention. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Does that necessarily change the question? |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-03-09 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
24. Humans make their gods in their own image. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-04-09 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
31. Continued abstraction of naive primitive Animism. |
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