i think Jeebus saved Abby Sunderland

http://www.daily2news.info/506/rescue-effort-underway-abby-sunderland-is-lost-on-the-sea/

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Here is the testimony of the father of Abigail: “We are born-again Christians and our decisions are not based on our feelings or even on our own knowledge. We pray for our problems. The belief in prayer and received answers to prayers led us where we are in our campaign for Abigail and for all our decisions. (…) We have our dreams and aspirations but we must remember that the Lord controls everything. “

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Him and me gots the same work ethic. Most the week I smoke pot and pretend to work, then I pull something incredible off on Fridays to let the powers know Im still their man. I could get behind this Jesus guy

What kind of nut allows their sixteen-year-old daughter to circumnavigate the globe alone in a sailboat? Would they let her drive cross-country alone, for instance?

I'm happy to learn that the young woman in question is safe, but do these people have any common sense at all?

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and a teenage girl?

Isn't that physical strength something that might come in handy on a sailboat, especially sailing alone?

I'd also like to mention the costs involved in rescuing this child, but hey, I suppose that's mean-spirited.

Guinness stopped recognizing under-18 world records for a reason.

than driving solo NY to LA. And if you count it by miles covered, she would be damn near infinitely safer sailing once around the world than making that drive ten times.

No sleepy big riggers, no drunk teens, no crazies at rest stops, no road-raged a-holes.

Her boat rolled. The mast snapped off.

It was perfectly safe. That's why she's being rescued.

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than she would be from creeps in the rest stops.

How many people sailing around the world disappear, and are never heard of again?

How many people go out for a drive, and are never heard of again?

Not to mention that she was a long-time accomplished sailor before she ever started this voyage - she didn't just one day get it in her head to jump in a boat and sail around the world.

There are thousands, maybe millions of young sailors with far less experience to hers, who go out for a few hours or a few days - and during the time they are out they are just as susceptible to the vagaries of nature as she was here.

It sounds to me like she did everything right - particularly when things went wrong. Like any professional.

I hope she tries again.

Quite a few more than you'd suspect. Most notably, Joshua Slocum... he was the first to sail around the world by himself. He disappeared without a trace a few years later while on another solo voyage. My father bought a powerboat from the widow of a guy who disappeared without a trace right off Marathon during a sailboat delivery. Generally, it's thought these disappearances are due to collisions with freighters.

In less than a year she'll be 17 and with parental consent, could then join the US armed forces and wind up in Afghanistan or Iraq getting shot at. Just for perspective. :hi:

She could have died.

Alone.

In the ocean.

For nothing.

At 16.

It is just nuts.

She had to do this younger than her brother did!

I'm with you. Alone in the ocean -- men who've sailed their entire lives have died because they didn't heed a bad weather report, had an accident, such as being swept overboard.

Of course, they weren't a Golden Child (tm), whose whims are always catered to...

Maybe I just look at it differently, when I was her age I was always looking for an adventure too. At 16 I rode a motorcycle all over the US and into Canada and Mexico that summer. Maybe not as dangerous as sailing around the world but it's memory from my youth I will always cherish.

But hey, that's just what I read.

Are you TRYING to buy a ticket to hell?:evilfrown:

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jerk.

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Damn do those three like their 40 oz Schlitz Malt Liquors.

just like he's involved in fertility treatments for couples who can't have kids but then end up having 7 or 8 of them at once, and then they thank God for giving them all those precious little babies.

He probably even keeps your computer's hard drive from crashing most days.


Busy guy....

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"but we must remember that the Lord controls everything"

People are dieing, wars fought, people losing their homes, Gulf getting destroyed, banks running the country, wall street raping people, and the list could go on forever.

God's just not going to go around helping random people. You have to be a CHRISTIAN.
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Its like watching British Sitcoms...you just aren't going to get it. Now amplify that times a million and throw a few great plagues in

God certainly is a sadistic sob. At least according to that rationale.

So, I'll post something insulting in his honor after reading his quote. After all, he had just been told that his 16 year old daughter whom most of the world had given up for dead was alive and well.

What a silly man he is! You know, for having beliefs and all...

Hope that's a strong enough message for those at DU who hate religious people.

If it were my child, yes I would thank God, along with the rescuers and whoever it was who invented the technology that allowed a distress signal to go out.

But I'm kind of into that free will thing.

Just drifting through life, hoping prayer gives him everything?

Fuck God and Jesus. I do things on my own, without them. If a problem arises in my life, I grab it by the horns and deal with it head-on, on my own. I don't rely on prayer for that.

She would have been safer.

could let someone else rescue her, then claim the credit and look good?

Thus saving their kids.

It is like the Obama Chess game ;)

were contemplating buying sailboats, just so that they too could allow their young teenage daughters to sail solo around the world :)

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months, they've left me dumbfounded since then.

I think they should pray for funds to reimburse all the people sending planes and ships out to rescue their daughter... sending kids off chasing these kinds of records is just irresponsible parenting.

so how much more pressure is there on the daughter - family tradition and all that...

Christians who have led a clean, healthy life but are currently being raped, robbed, losing their jobs, loved ones, homes, etc. and cry out to their god for help but receive no answer.

Meanwhile, that same god saved a teen age girl who did something rather foolish, putting herself in harm's way while these other folks didn't.

Isn't there some lack of consistency here?

Does their god pick and choose? Picture god and some angels sitting on the edge of a cloud, chatting. "Hey look, there's one of ours being raped. Another one over there is being pounded with sticks. Uh oh! Gotta go get that kid outta the boat!"

Too funny!

"GOD works in mysterious ways" BS...

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with "man's logic, not god's logic."

I imagine sometimes an answer rather than being non-existent, many also be "no", or "not right now."

But I also imagine that line of thought is predicated on my magic-thinking and woo-woo, because parents, friends, families, neighbors, acquaintances and co-workers always give the response we ourselves believe to be appropriate and timely.

druggies just aren't praying hard enough.

I hate when people say that God saved them or blessed them or whatever - what makes them so special?

Her thinking is that god's miracle will look even bigger when she can walk again without the help of the therapy! Head bang..head bang...head bang.

I am very happy that this young person on the Indian Ocean is safe. I hope she knows to cut the rigging free from the boat so God doesn't use it to poke a hole in her vessel. That would be sad.

That's what they believe, and they're free to do so regardless of what a bunch of strangers on the intertubes think.

world alone.

Let's all join in & mock this dad who's probably been out of his mind worrying about his daughter.

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dg

profoundly stupid what he did was and how dangerous for "us" as a group it is to put "God's" blessing on irresponsibility?

or is it okay to mock Christians' beliefs on DU? Apparently so, because if the OP had mocked atheism, this thread would have been locked &/or deleted by now.

dg

Let's call out those who show disrespect to others, but not damage the value of our point about respect by (showing disrespect in) treating any and all negative assessment as if it were the same thing as mocking.

got any links to show that that really, actually happens on here? Because it doesn't.

Can I mock someone who thinks the world is 6000 years old? Even if it is their religious belief? Because thinking that is fucking ignorant, stupid bullshit. I should be able to say that.

Knowing he was special w/God, and all, why should he worry?

The child is 16. He sent a 16 YO child out on a 40' sailboat alone. Twice.

It's OK, though, 'cause God would either keep her safe, or drown her abstinent-ass for His own mysterious reasons, but, hey, it's all good....

I'd hate to be a self-serving bastard that risks sacrificing his children under the delusion that they'll be protected by a myth.

Also, thank Yahweh for the government socialism that *actually* protected her.


Actually, I *do* "get" it, Wolfie. Just like I see through you.

I KNEW there was a reason I hated that fucking family. Fundie shitwipes.

Then the devil took him to the holy city, and made him stand on the parapet of the temple,

and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down. For it is written: 'He will command his angels concerning you and 'with their hands they will support you, lest you dash your foot against a stone.'"

Jesus answered him, "Again it is written, 'You shall not put the Lord, your God, to the test.'"

Parents send/allow daughter off on an incredibly dangerous and age-inappropriate solo journey, she gets into trouble and is finally rescued, and they give credit to Jeezuz?

It's borderline child-abuse, if you ask me`.

They need to be prosecuted for reckless endangerment of a minor. Nothing "borderline" about it.

*blink*

we wouldn't be here today. It's this young lady's spirit of adventure that teaches us that we can still meet and overcome challenges. She is nearly 17 years old. That is plenty old enough to do what she is doing, especially having the experience sailing that she and her family has.

From what we know, which is admittedly incomplete, they didn't really live in the caves.

They lived in rock shelters, or cave mouths, or in huts, probably including portable shelters, following seasons and animal herds.

They went down into the caves to paint, and perhaps for some ritual purpose connected in some way to the art.

The caves were also inhabited for long periods by animals like bears (which may have been problematic for the humans who wanted to use them).

Your image of "shivering in caves" is more of a media/mass cultural myth than anything else.

Oh, and where the ice wasn't, to the south, etc, they also lived in settlements, often mobile ones, pretty similar to hunter-gatherer cultures of our own day..

This is not the spirit of adventure but of foolhardy risk, with no reasoning behind it.

The Wright Brothers took a reasonable risk, for example, and that spirit of adventure advanced us. This does nothing.

And I'm not even religious!

Some people think humans were made with air conditioning and refridgeration and Amber Alerts and grocery stores, etc., already waiting for us!

But this girl had been out thereon a boat for half a year.

Doesn't she have school to go to?

Or is the poor thing a victim of home-schooling as well?

Nevermind.

Jeez.

Just wondering.

We live in an over-protective culture, to be sure.

But this is nuts.

Sorry.

Is my daughter a 'victim' as well? Or are you one of those anti-choice people (on abortion, schooling, where you can drink, etc)?

I hate control freaks.

I only wrote from what I have experienced teaching at University.

Some very very bright young people come in, who have been home-schooled.

Some do very well, but even some of those seem to have some massive gaps in their education At least in my field, which is history).

Some also seem to struggle with their social skills.

Now I am not saying that students who come in from the public or private school systems don't have problems.

Just reflecting my own experience with relatively bright home-school students.

To conclude: Please forgive my snark.

I painted with a broad brush, I will admit, so I will apologize for offending you. I am sure you do your best.

I guess that schooling didn't include that it's a bad idea to sail at high lattitudes in winter.

That can be a problem with home-schooling.

When THE PARENTS think they know everything.

But are, in fact, seriously crazy people.

is that the Reunion Island fishing boat that's picking her up will probably put her to work hauling long-lines, etc, for a few weeks until they return to port. She'll probably learn a LOT more in that time than she ever did from her parents. So there may be hope for her yet...

How many of you would be okay with your 16-year-old daughter living on a fishing vessel for a few weeks with people you've never met? It's kind of them to pick her up. I agree with HooptieWagon -- she's going to learn a lot, and those on board are most likely good people.

It only takes one that maybe isn't, doesn't it?

perhaps even one or more women, and the authorities know Abby's being picked up by them. I doubt that they would try anything. Sailors are generally a good lot (pirates excepted). Plus, what else are Abby's parents gonna do? Leave her out there until they can come and get her?

out by THEMSELVES into the most dangerous and treachorous environment on the planet (the open sea)? Do you have ANY knowledge of the ocean or sailing, outside of watching "Titanic"?

isn't the first to make the attempt. Current youngest solo circumnavigation record holder Jessica Watson, 17, made easy work of it and arrived home about a month ago:

http://www.jessicawatson.com.au/

Sure, some kids at that age may be well on their way and know exactly what they want to do.

But what is the hurry in this case?

She could have waited a few years, until she was at least legally responsible for herself.

No harm would have been done.

Let her get some experience on shorter trips, and she can save up to buy (or build) her own boat, and make the trip when she's ready. Do it without pressure from sponsors to "break a record". Stop in a few ports and see the world. Sign the book deal AFTER the trip, not before.

Do it because you are compelled to, because it is what makes life bearable, worth living, etc, for you.

Do it because you think you might be able to some good for others while doing what you feel driven to do.

But a record will just end up being broken in the end.

Enjoy the ride, stop obsessing if you can, about the goal.

Just doing what you love every day or at least a few days out of the year, that is what it is all about.

Of course, I'm getting old now.

Obviously Abby Sunderland could have benefited from such sage advice. If it's really her dream to sail the world, she can work to accomplish that dream, not just have it handed to her by parents and corporate sponsors. She can take her time and SEE the world, not just sail around it.

She is just too young for it. She does not need to hurry for anything.

Responsible parenting is not tyrannical, it can be strong but reasonable.

Sometimes you have to wait for things, or avoid stupid risks.

It's not oppression or condemning them to some "cave."

It is just common sense.

"...our decisions are not based on our feelings or even on our own knowledge. We pray for our problems."

Wow. Just wow. I have no words.

also with people who purposely do stupid things that could put them in mortal danger.


It means that if they get into trouble, someone else has to go out and risk his/her life to rescue their dumb asses.

Lots of rescue workers have died in their attempts to rescue people who have run into trouble while doing something idiotic.


Selfish assholes.

I wish she could have been rescued/found sooner so I wouldn't have gone from 'who the hell is Abby Sunderland and why are people talking about her' to learning who she is, why she was doing what she was doing and feeling 'okay good for her and her family' and wanting not to hear about it ever again.

example. I'm positive the Devil controls that.

If you ever tried to use it, you'd reach the same conclusion.