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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 03:32 PM
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The Atheist Pocket Debater iPhone App Remains on Top Ten Best Selling Apps...
The Atheist Pocket Debater iPhone App Remains on Top Ten Best Selling Apps List in Book Category on iTunes

Is Atheism winning the battle of religion in iphone app world? Currently The Atheist Pocket Debater app is on the top ten book apps list competing with Holy Bible, and surpassing NIV bible, Book of Mormon, and Islam apps.

Forest Hills, NY (PRWEB) July 16, 2010

Author Michael Shermer, publisher of Skeptic magazine, says, "Atheist Pocket Debater is an excellent and useful tool for Atheists and Skeptics."

This iPhone app for Atheists provides many ways to argue and debate against Christians, Creationists, and Bible Thumpers. It is set up for very quick reference and memorization. In addition to the atheist debater section, the app contains two other complete sections: Skepticism, dealing with rational thinking, aliens, ghosts, psychics, and get-rich-quick schemes, and Humanism, which contains positive and uplifting humanistic articles including the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Humanist Manifesto.

Roy Speckhardt, Executive Director of American Humanist Association says, "Atheist Pocket Debater provides smart, at-the-ready responses to critiques of atheism. It also includes a wealth of information about humanism and skepticism."

http://www.prweb.com/releases/iPhone_app/atheist_book_app/prweb3954134.htm
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 03:41 PM
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1. If there really was a God, he'd invent a superior app
So there. That proves something.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 03:46 PM
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2. That's exactly what he wants you to think
He's deliberately motivating the faithful into creating one of their own.

God is nothing, if not wiley.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 03:53 PM
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4. But is He into iPhone4 or Droids ?
That's an important consideration for UNDECIDEDS

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 03:57 PM
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6. He was into iPhone, but the reception in Heaven sucked. nt
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 08:29 PM
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10. Xians need something like this Muslim I-God app...
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 03:47 PM
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3. Want!
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 03:56 PM
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5. That explains the repetition.
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 06:01 PM
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7. This proves what I've always thought...
MAC users are Godless heathens. :)

TlalocW
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 06:17 PM
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8. Ancient Greeks had an oracle at Delphi; the Chinese had their I Ching;
our culture has its internet and iPhone apps

Perhaps the benefit of the answers from Delphi or the I Ching was simply this: the answers were at least cryptic and so required the seeker to think about what the answer might actually mean. Responses from our technological oracles are more likely to seem clear and clean-cut, but that means the user can lazily quit after less thought. So which would be better, if one regarded thinking as a salutary habit?

I do not see how an iPhone app could be of the slightest use for any philosophical conversation on any topic. A good philosophical comment is a comment that forces one to clarify one's own thought -- and perhaps this is most likely to occur if one disagrees strongly with the comment, but has great difficulty explaining why one disagrees. But the unclear confusedness of one's thought is a highly individual matter: so one cannot expect any real benefit by substituting mechanical rote responses for genuine conversation





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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 07:29 PM
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9. Reference
Let's say for example, you are debating a point with someone. Someone says "B_ll_sh_t! Thomas Jefferson NEVER wrote such and such!" You go to the page, and voila, there it is for them to read with their own two eyes.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 08:47 PM
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11. You can google on a iPhone, right? n/t
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 09:27 PM
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15. Suppose you can: what of it? Internet search engines make some
information more readily available but can also swamp one with a million links of misinformation diligently copied from one website to another: the old problem of misquoted or maliciously amended texts that plagued the ancient hand copyists is thus magnified many times over on the internet. Nothing is easier today than a quick search that produces a false factoid, or a false quote, or a fact or quote misleadingly lifted entirely from its context, that the search engine user is then free to thoughtlessly reproduce. A tool frequently may not produce results more intelligent than the worker who employs it.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:33 PM
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16. Just like Bible.
Think Jesus was a socialist? There's a quote for that.
Think Jesus opposed socialism? There's a quote for that too.

Need supporting context? Interpretations can be engineered to fit any situation. Just ask either side of a schism or holy war.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 02:45 AM
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21. Is that a demo of the app?
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 08:47 AM
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24. No, that would be a demo of the "I'm a TRUE Scotsman and I can prove it" app. n/t
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 09:21 PM
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25. Yep! I looked up "Internet search engines" and found a tidy refutation of exactly what you said.
:eyes:

In fact, your whole post there is in the app. You see, the first result I got was an argument that read, "Suppose you can: what of it?" and contained the text:
Internet search engines make some information more readily available but can also swamp one with a million links of misinformation diligently copied from one website to another: the old problem of misquoted or maliciously amended texts that plagued the ancient hand copyists is thus magnified many times over on the internet. Nothing is easier today than a quick search that produces a false factoid, or a false quote, or a fact or quote misleadingly lifted entirely from its context, that the search engine user is then free to thoughtlessly reproduce. A tool frequently may not produce results more intelligent than the worker who employs it.

So you see the app contains a wide variety of common theistic arguments that lend themselves to mechanical rote responses. The response notes also recommended that my above comment be made to DU user "struggle4progress" in a thread about the app itself.

The above comment is likewise a mechanical rote response written months ago as an appropriate response to struggle4progress's likely response to the first rote response. You may think that what you have to say is original, but clearly it's little more than a series of statements already documented and available to anyone with an Internet connection. That's the value of the app.




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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 02:38 PM
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32. I asked because my #8 and #15 were about mindlessness, and your #16
"Just like the Bible" didn't actually seem to be related to anything I had said

So I figured you might have just cut and paste it from somewhere in the app
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 04:54 PM
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33. Or I was referencing this bit you said:
"Nothing is easier today than a quick search that produces a false factoid, or a false quote, or a fact or quote misleadingly lifted entirely from its context..."

Just like the Bible.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-10 05:25 PM
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34. Have you ever noticed what a horrid little man William Shakespeare is?
Look at this quote: "Drown cats and blind puppies!"

Just what kind of person was he, advocating that we drown poor animals?

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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 12:52 AM
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35. Don't forget these two from King Lear
"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."

"Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them."


Violent AND perverted, that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG1AWVLnl48#t=1m">Shakesman guy.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 01:24 PM
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39. Maybe we should pause to let Isaac Newton shed some light here:
They ought by theory to have fallen in the time of 29 oscillations

Of course, whatever Newton said deserves thoughtful consideration, so I do hope you will contemplate the foregoing carefully, until it brings you some insight

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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 09:05 PM
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12. IMO, very little philosophical conversation is of any use.
And the LAST thing "philosophical comments" generally do is force one to clarify one's thought. Just the opposite.

Compared to most of the philosphical windbaggery I've had to puzzle over, the Delphic Oracle was as clear as a technical manual.

H.L. Mencken figured out the philosophizing breed years ago and nailed them perfectly:

Metaphysics is a refuge for men who have a strong desire to appear learned and profound but have nothing worth hearing to say.

Their speculations have helped mankind hardly more than those of the astrologers...

The thing that makes philosophers rspected is not actually their profundity, but simply their obscurity. They translate vague and dubious ideas into high-sounding words, and their dupes assume, as they assume themselves, that the resulting obfuscation is a contribution to knowledge.
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 09:11 PM
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13. Everyone is a philosopher. Without philosophy no form of rationale
would exist.
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 12:14 AM
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20. Another example of you redefining a word to suit your own needs.
Points of view and methods of inspection are by no means philosophy, nor are a hundred other human behaviors that I haven't the time to list.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 09:14 PM
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14. How to Make Our Ideas Clear (CS Peirce 1878)
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 06:35 AM
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26. His home, Arisbe, is just down the road from me.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 11:45 AM
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28. *slaps forehead*
Some family members and I did some minor hiking around the Delaware Water Gap about twenty five years ago. Sadly, I had no idea Peirce's house was around there

A decade or so before that I had read through an old (four?) volume collection of his works. I know now it was very incomplete: it did include some of his diagrammatic logic but I don't think it had much else of his math in it. It did have a few great photographic plates: my favorite was one showing an impishly smiling Peirce with his big black beard shaved from half his face. I'd roughly guess it was taken somewhere around 1885, give or take a few years

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 01:37 PM
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30. It's maintained by the National Park Service now.
Worth a side trip if you're ever back in the area.
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 10:33 PM
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17. The reason why skeptics and atheists have such an aversion to
philosophy is that it can seriously challenge the validity of their own ideas.
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 12:08 AM
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18. That's funny.
All the philosophy professors I knew from college were all atheists/skeptics.

Not a one of them believed in God, even if they used theologian's works (Aquinas, etc.) in their required reading materials, just to be fair and open-minded.
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 08:37 AM
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22. You are right, that is funny because to say that all philosophers are atheists
would be ridiculous.
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 08:46 AM
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23. Which of course isn't what he said, Captain Straw Man. n/t
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ironbark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 02:17 AM
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36. And of course none said he had said it, Major Foulup. ;-) n/t.
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 12:12 AM
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19. Philosophy can only challenge the validity of skepticism when grossly misunderstood. n/t
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 12:19 PM
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29. I'm going to have to disagree with you here
Skepticism and the scientific methods aren't separate from philosophy, they are themselves particular philosophical approaches.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 11:41 AM
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27. Hey, does that mean we atheists can talk about believers in the similar terms?
The reason why believers have such an aversion to science is that it can seriously challenge the validity of their own ideas.

I like it better this way.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-10 01:44 PM
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31. +1 n/t
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ironbark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 02:21 AM
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37. A device that assists atheists in "rational thinking"...that's great!

"Atheist Pocket Debater provides smart, at-the-ready responses to critiques of atheism."

Does it have a special section on The Art of Historical Revisionism?

;-)

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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-10 06:10 AM
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38. If there was a version that only provided arguments against Christian religious ceremonies ...
... would it be called the Mass Debater app?

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