Archbishop blasts Ferndale priest's leading of liberal Mass (x-post from LBN)

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The Mass was part of a weekend conference that's drawn some 2,000 liberal Catholics from around the world who are upset at the rightward turn of the Catholic Church. They want lay people to have more say in church decision making. Many also want discussion about women, gay, and married priests, and greater accountability on the issue of child abuse by priests. The conference came on the 35th anniversary of a conference in Detroit led by the late Cardinal John Dearden, former Archbishop of Detroit, a leader seen as progressive by liberal Catholics. To them, he represented the spirit of the reforms of the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s, which they say recent leadership has abandoned.

These are people who grew up with the Church of Pius XII and who feel that the promise of change represented by John XXIII and Vatican II has been betrayed.

Oh wait...

PENIS = WISDOM.

There, I said it.

there may have been "liturgical abuses." Wurm says he doesn't expect disciplinary action and isn't worried about the possibility. The 78-year-old retired priest last served at St. James Catholic Church in Ferndale ...
Detroit archdiocese plans review following Mass as part of Catholic reform groups' conference
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First Posted: June 13, 2011 - 7:06 am
Last Updated: June 13, 2011 - 7:06 am
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/4cbcfb8eaa694f1e9be673dc2ff4f573/MI--Catholic-Gatherings-Detroit/

... "There were several, serious liturgical abuses at that service," said Ned McGrath, spokesman for the Archdiocese of Detroit. "There will be -- has to be -- a careful and thorough review." It's too early to say what exact punishment Wurm might face, McGrath said ... "He didn't violate canon law," John Hushon of Florida, a lead organizer of the conference, said of Wurm. "We went right down the straight and narrow." Wurm said he's not worried about any disciplinary action. "I don't see that happening," he said ...
Mass for liberal believers angers archbishop
BY NIRAJ WARIKOO
DETROIT FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER
http://www.freep.com/article/20110613/NEWS05/106130345/Mass-liberal-believers-angers-archbishop

... Parishioners who attended Sunday’s mass say the Catholic Church needs to be more open on a number of issues - specifically allowing women in the priesthood, permitting priests to marry and the acceptance of gays, lesbians and transgender worshippers. “It just seems right to have our activities not exclude anyone. Invite them all as Jesus would have,” said Janet Haulter, co-chairwoman for the council. The Detroit Archdiocese warned of possible consequences for those who attended the event. Archbishop Allen Vigneron released a statement that read in part: “The American Catholic Council portrays itself as something other than what it is. In effect it advocates for what it calls ‘change’ by putting Catholic sacraments, church teachings and even the sanctity of life up to a vote. That’s not even close to liberal or left-leaning thinking; it’s beyond a bridge too far” ...
The American Catholic Council holds special mass in defiance of church leadership
http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/the-american-catholic-council-holds-special-mass-in-defiance-of-church-leadership

Conservative Catholics blasted liberals and defended their church's leadership Saturday at a conference in Livonia that was a stark contrast to a separate conference of reform Catholics being held at the same time in Detroit. Endorsed by the Archdiocese of Detroit, the Call to Holiness conference drew more than 600 Catholics to Saturday's daytime events, many of them concerned about the conference being held at Cobo Center in Detroit by the liberal American Catholic Council ... At the heart of the debate between the conferences is who has authority among Catholics. Traditionalists and conservatives at Saturday's conference noted that the pope and bishops are divinely sanctioned and must be obeyed, while liberals say that regular people should have more say in church decision making ...
Catholic events split on doctrine
http://www.freep.com/article/20110612/NEWS05/106120516/Catholic-events-split-doctrine?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s

... The Archbishop of Detroit Allen Vigneron warned Catholics to stay away ... But that didn't deter local Catholics from attending, and may even have encouraged them to come, say conference participants. Attendees included everyone from former seminarians to anti-war activists to those calling for women and married priests. All were united in saying that lay people need to have more say in church decision making, such as being able to help decide who becomes bishops and where pastors are assigned. Some 2,000 are attending the conference, which kicked off Friday with workshops during the day and talks in the evening by theologians Rev. Hans Kung and Prof. Jeanette Rodriguez along with a prayer service that declared support for gays, women, and victims of racism and child abuse. “Angered by church leaders who protect pedophiles and persecute prophets, we cry,” the crowd said together ...
Despite warnings from Catholic leaders, liberal conference draws large crowd
BY NIRAJ WARIKOO
http://www.freep.com/article/20110610/NEWS05/110610056/Despite-warnings-from-Catholic-leaders-liberal-conference-draws-large-crowd?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|FRONTPAGE

... Archbishop .. Vigneron sent a letter .. Friday, warning Catholics to stay away ... "To confirm the legitimacy of what they had planned, the ACC had been asked to provide details regarding this liturgy," the letter read. "The response received was ambiguous, and there are good reasons for believing forbidden concelebration will take place by the laity and with those not in full communion with the Church" ...
... Hauter said .. "A year ago, we sent a copy of everything we had to the diocese and heard nothing back. Every time the diocese released another statement against the conference, our registration went up, so that must tell you something" ...
Liberal Catholics To Discuss Future Of Church
Some Catholics Do Not Agree With American Catholic Council's Views
By By Chris BoyetteCNN
POSTED: 3:15 pm MDT June 9, 2011
UPDATED: 4:01 pm MDT June 9, 2011
http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/28187829/detail.html

They explained that while there is room for dissent, there is no room for error.

Im sure that NO TWO believers have ever agreed on everything. Our perception of God is imperfect, and thus, prone to error. How can they demand perfect understanding? Maybe they meant something other than how Im taking it? :shrug:

If there's no real room for error, dissent is impossible. Probably why I make so many errors. :)

Speakers at the conservative conference railed against abortion, contraception, yoga and the gay rights movement.