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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:27 PM Original message |
HOW RELIGION MOTIVATES NANCY |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
1. that's your imagination |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. On private experience |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. yeah, but that kind of generous attitude shouldn't extend toward politicians |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
2. Perhaps, and good for her. |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Maybe |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. But does the amount of good Christianity has brought us truly make up for the bad? |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Hang around |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. One has to admit, however, that when Christianity gets evil (just like all religions) people die |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Communism is an economic system. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. "If Uncle Joe only knew" |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. You made the claim that iCommunism is a religion. Burden of proof is on you. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Answers |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Well given those standards for defining a religion, then atheism |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Not really - Atheism is to religion what baldness is to a hairstyle |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Again you prove my point by reciting a common atheist mantra. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Well then, by your definition, being a Democrat is a religion, being a Republican is a religion |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. if communism can be called a religion then so can anything else. And |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Why Communism is a religion (a cult, specifically) |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Every one of those charcteristics could also be applied to chattel slavery |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. What do you think religion is but willful brainwashing? |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 12:37 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. So then what is atheism, but willful narrow-mindedness? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 12:48 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Atheism is the lack of god. Atheists don't believe in atheism, they believe in science |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:33 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Well, science is certainly not the domain solely of atheists. So, |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #65 |
72. No it isn't |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #72 |
84. I think even Dawkins has a cult following. You can call yourself |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #84 |
97. "Cult Following" =/= Cult |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. And just like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, the Pope is |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. So funny how Christians just don't *get* it |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. The thing is that Christians who spent a great deal of their time |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #105 |
119. Wow...what happened? Did you suffer from some brain injury or something? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Your description |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 04:55 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Atheism is a manifestation of |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. Posters like him really make the "Bright" movement that more necesarry |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #73 |
81. I prefer the term "freethinker". |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #81 |
106. I find the term "freethinker" as used by secularists to be a misnomer |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. *yawn* "until abstract and religious thinking come into play" *yawn* |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #106 |
117. if you knew, and understood the root of the word 'religion' |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Why stop there? Elaborate. nt |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #106 |
120. Abstract and Religious Thinking = Fairy Tales |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:45 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Maher is also one of the most prolific bigots around today. Definitely |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #123 |
130. No, he just has a low tolerance for bullshit |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. What he does is called bigotry - plain and simple. nt |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. Only by the religious. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 12:24 AM Response to Reply #132 |
179. Actually, the definition in the dictionary does not support your contention. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #179 |
186. Some things are worth being prejudice about. I, for example, am prejudice against Nazis |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #186 |
188. I agree. And they also thought that it was quite fashionable to |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #188 |
192. Not all religious people: Mormons, Lutherans and Catholics were fine with the NAZIs |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #192 |
195. Did I say ALL religious people. Now tell me, what religion were |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #195 |
196. Depends on the American, Canadian, Englishman or Russian |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #196 |
207. "lack of Christianity at its inception that made us" ? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #207 |
208. Don't get me wrong, Christianity was there - but it didn't do us any good |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #208 |
215. "all of our least desirable outcomes came from Christianity" |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #215 |
216. I had no idea that ALL of things "came from christianity." That is AMAZING!!!!! |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #216 |
217. Where did I say that "ALL of things 'came from christianity?'" |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #217 |
220. Typo. I meant to say ALL of those things came from christianity? |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #220 |
226. You know that is NOT what I meant, nor was it implied, but many |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #226 |
227. You meant exactly what I thought you meant. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #227 |
228. "such institutions were started by Christians in the early years of the country." |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #228 |
235. Yeah, I know, "where I see contradiction, you see confirmation." |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #66 |
85. I would very much like to see how someone who bases their beliefs |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Yes even the dumbest Atheist knows that there are these things called 'radio waves' |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. You said it, I didn't. Tell me. How is it that radio waves are known to exist |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Yes, but now you're going into silly season here... |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. What is with the strawman here? We were discussing empiricism |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #95 |
111. "now you're going into silly season" - Silliness is all there is here. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #85 |
110. *yawn* |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. It must be very frustrating never being able to |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #85 |
112. And as usual, you bait and switch |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. Now you are finally showing that you are not quite as one dimensional |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 08:37 AM Response to Reply #58 |
69. A religion |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #69 |
75. And exactly how do people come to adopt |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. You're aware, I hope, that it's a highly individual process? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #76 |
92. Just because it's "right for you" does not make it correct |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. Fine. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #76 |
113. So in other words |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Can be, yes. Not always is. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #69 |
82. Correct. Just like what is done a Sunday School for children. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #82 |
96. +1000 |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Now you are stretching it and going from religion to cult and certainly |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 10:03 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. The only difference between a religion and a cult is the size of the congregation. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. And what might the limits on the size of the congregations be? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #61 |
79. *yawn* As usual, you conflate two different meanings to suit your ignorant purposes. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. As usual, avoidance. nt |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Correct. I avoid your ignorance. |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Laughable. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Deleted message |
Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #43 |
74. Talk about laughable |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #74 |
80. I was simply applying Taverner's own rubric (see post 35) |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. Inadvertent double post. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Your ignorance x2 |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. It is not anomaly. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I saw missionary work in Thailand |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Come around |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. You merely confirmed what I pointed out and it is obvious that you |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
51. Talk about a dishonest dodge |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Truth is hard to handle, huh? nt |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 04:58 AM Response to Reply #57 |
67. Seems that being pinned on a point |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #67 |
94. And what point exactly would that be? nt |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
52. Trying to convert people to your religion |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
70. You ran into some prosperity cult missionaries |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #70 |
121. Actually one of them was Baptist, and the other Presbetyrian |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. "Christianity" had nothing what soever |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I'll give you the Wars of the Roses - even though there was a religious element |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
122. Xianity certainly contributed to the Wars of the Roses |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #122 |
128. There was no religious component to the Wars of the Roses |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. No, no, no. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
3. Could you provide a little background here. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Never mind. I found the other post and there is no background |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. good advice |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. Looks like an excellent charity, to which you did a great DISservice. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
62. So when I do a google search for |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yeah, an atheist or agnostic could NEVER feel driven to work for the poor and oppressed. |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. prejudice sometimes |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
5. Is there some reason I'm supposed to know "Nancy" whom? nt |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Could be Nancy anyone, I guess. I looked at the earlier |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Deleted message |
MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Oh, phooey. There's a freaking website about the organization. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Why should she be attacked? |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I'm assuming Pelosi, but who knows? |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. no, why should you know? |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
9. Are you aware that this looks kind of presumptious? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
10. Load o' crap. |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
28. Read all of the above |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Once bitten, twice shy I say... |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
38. Cool story, Bro. (n/t) |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
42. I read you post. I still have no idea how religion motivates Nancy. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. See #4. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
50. Exactly what does "faith" have to do with any of this? |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Should I have said more? |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. What the hell is your point, then? |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 05:06 AM Response to Reply #56 |
68. You might have actually tried to answer |
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dimbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-16-11 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
53. Nancy may have read early manuscripts which are entirely written in majuscules. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
77. STOP USING ALL CAPS |
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Ninjaneer (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. I guessed NFP was Not For Profit (org?) n/t |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #78 |
88. Correct |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. Several questions |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #87 |
104. Answers. |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #104 |
148. Thanks for taking that much time and effort. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 08:44 AM Response to Reply #87 |
125. Re: #1 |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
83. Let's take this at face value for a minute. |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. A good thoughtful reply. Let me take a shot at answering some of the questions. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #90 |
98. Well let's see. |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #98 |
107. Thanks for a thoughtful response |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Honestly? The messenger is the issue rather than the message |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #107 |
126. It's fairly simple. |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-17-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #90 |
101. I don't get this endless nosy-parkering into other peoples' motives, either. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 06:59 AM Response to Reply #101 |
124. It's the OP who has endlessly |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #124 |
127. But it has been an elephant and rabbit stew |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #127 |
129. "Didn't think" |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #129 |
135. This argument also carries no water. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. Nice job of completely misunderstanding |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #137 |
140. I didn't misstate anything you said. |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #140 |
146. Except they don't care that much about exploring their faith |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #146 |
163. of course they don't explore it on this site. |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #124 |
133. What much of the discussion of motivation in this forum comes down to is: |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #133 |
170. Does carrying around that much straw make you itch? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 10:17 PM Response to Reply #170 |
175. Religious motivation is unneccessary to who? You? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #175 |
176. Religious motivation is unneccessary to do good, period. |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #170 |
181. Poor darkstar. You're slipping into fantasy here. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #181 |
190. Poor okasha, unable to substantiate and flinging insult to cover bullshit. |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #190 |
193. Nah. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #193 |
194. Go ahead, |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #124 |
134. Your logic is faulty |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. Take it up with the OP |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. No, I don't have to have that discussion. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. No one has EVER done a bad deed because they DID NOT believe in a god. |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. Nonsense. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #141 |
143. Really? Please demonstrate how a lack of belief was the motivating factor for any of that. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. When was atheism only a lack of belief? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. Lets review. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #150 |
153. Hard atheism vs. soft atheism. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #153 |
154. Hard vs. Soft atheism? really? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #154 |
157. I paint the word atheism the way the world understands it. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #157 |
160. Since when did you become the authority on what the world understands? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #160 |
164. Dictionaries are authoritative. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #164 |
183. Ok, you are unable to answer. I understand your reluctance. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 08:54 AM Response to Reply #164 |
212. on USAGES |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #157 |
169. You paint only the way you understand. Do not presume to know the minds of all in the world. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #169 |
173. I don't presume to know all the minds in the world. However ... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. But pay attention only to the ones that fit your agenda. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 06:53 AM Response to Reply #173 |
180. EVEN IF we grant you your chosen definition of atheism... |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #180 |
199. What chasm? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #199 |
204. That huge one you are completely ignoring. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #204 |
205. I have provided the reason. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 06:03 AM Response to Reply #205 |
209. It's not a matter of me accepting it. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 09:00 AM Response to Reply #173 |
213. No -you know the one of several that serves your purpose. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #213 |
218. I didn't create the definitions of atheism |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #218 |
219. Hook line and sinker |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #150 |
159. Pay attention. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #147 |
211. now look up "disbelief", and remind yourself how dictionaries work |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #143 |
149. Easy. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #149 |
152. A lack of belief was the motivating factor? |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. Is atheism only lack of belief? Um, no. |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #152 |
158. It was certainly a motivating factor. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #158 |
161. You have not shown how a lack of belief was a motivating factor at all. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #161 |
166. Every hard atheist lacks a belief in God. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. That's an incredible leap that you cannot possibly support. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #168 |
172. Where is the leap? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 11:23 PM Response to Reply #172 |
178. "This allows them to eradicate anyone in their way who does believe in God" |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #178 |
198. Not at all. It is, as I said, impossible to be a hard atheist without lack of belief. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #198 |
201. Not an answer. You haven't shown how you get from lack of belief to murder, which you implied in 166 |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #161 |
171. I prefer to deal with historical facts. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #171 |
184. I'll say it again: READ WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #139 |
142. What utter bullshit. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. . |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #144 |
145. Write when you have a response with real content. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #145 |
151. . |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #151 |
156. I say that I have clearly defeated you in this argument, when you resort to empty emoticons. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #156 |
162. . |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #162 |
165. I'm glad you agree that I've defeated you in this argument. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #165 |
185. . |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
167. Supposition. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-18-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #167 |
174. It is your opinion that faith is used as rationlization and reinforcement |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #167 |
182. If you had paid attention |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #167 |
187. I am totally amazed |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #187 |
189. Because YOU'RE the one who claimed to KNOW it came from religion. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #187 |
197. Because |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #167 |
191. Hmm, I guess I struck a nerve. To the three of you: |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #191 |
200. no, not really. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #200 |
202. So now "Nancy" and TMO are the same person? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #202 |
203. Deleted message |
kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-19-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #202 |
206. I don't think that you know better than Nancy what her motivation is. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 09:04 AM Response to Reply #206 |
214. But apparently you know better than Marie Moore and Ivan Henk what theirs was. nt |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #191 |
210. Your need to cling to denial |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #210 |
221. People aren't necessarily the best analysts of their own motivations |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #221 |
222. All true, but it's really very simple. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-20-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #222 |
223. That question is important to the significance of the OP |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #223 |
225. So what do you mean by "basic character?" |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #225 |
240. Now that is a can of worms |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #240 |
241. True enough that moral principles can arise in any of several ways. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-22-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #241 |
242. To me that "connection", however, doesn't appear to be much stronger... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 07:53 AM Response to Reply #210 |
224. Were Nancy's own words posted somewhere on this thread? |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #224 |
229. The answer is a big NO. And -- wait for this -- the charity's website hasn't anything either! |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. I am shocked - SHOCKED, I tell you. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #230 |
231. WHY NOT THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #231 |
232. ... |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #231 |
233. Ahem. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #233 |
237. Perfectly captured in memes. |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #224 |
234. Nancy's words? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #234 |
236. Yes, her own words. Not what you've decided she believes. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #234 |
238. No, that's exactly the problem. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-21-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #234 |
239. I'm sure Nancy is a lovely person |
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