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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 10:14 AM
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HOW SCIENCE MOTIVATES BRIGHTS
Every time we hear of some new element of the universe, whether it be fuzzy magnetic bubbles at the end of the solar system, the formulation of antimatter at CERN in Switzerland or the development of a potential Quantum Computer - it makes me, and many other brights, happy to be alive at this time.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 10:24 AM
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1. What is the scientific definition of 'brights'?
That sounds much like 'indigo children' or some other wildly nonscientific lingo. Brights? Show me the science on that one.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 10:32 AM
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3. What's the scientific definition of "saved"?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:06 AM
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6. bright = atheist who thinks he/she is smarter than most everybody else


When I first read that .. Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett were trying to get the world to stop calling religious unbelievers “atheists” .. and start calling them “brights,” I had my doubts ... In his original New York Times op-ed .. Dennett wrote, “Don't confuse the noun with the adjective: ‘I'm a bright’ is not a boast but a proud avowal of an inquisitive world view.” ... But who did Dennett think he was kidding? ... As ABC News.com commentator John Allen Paulos remarked of the “brights” campaign, “I don’t think a degree in public relations is needed to expect that many people will construe the term as smug, ridiculous, and arrogant” ...
Not Too “Bright"
Chris Mooney
October 15, 2003
http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/show/not_too_bright/
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 01:36 PM
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10. -
Edited on Fri Jun-17-11 01:37 PM by Taverner
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 10:26 AM
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2. Science can be cool
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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 10:35 AM
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4. Man, that term "brights"
Can it be that you really don't see how arrogant that is? Or is your urge to evangelism for your ideology just so burning that you can't help yourself?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:06 AM
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5. It's no worse than expressions like "chosen people," "saved" ...
..."elect," "enlightened" or any other self-laudatory expressions religious people use.

Nevertheless, I do find the term "brights" to be a bit much.
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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:25 AM
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8. I agree entirely.
I'm not going to find much to praise about someone who says "...we chosen people..." or "...as a member of the elect..."

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 02:05 PM
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15. Well to answer your question, it is the default position.
I had this idea once that instead of having smokers and nonsmokers, we should have smokers and cleans. But nonsmoker is probably a better term because it is the default position. Doing nothing results in not smoking. The affirmative act of smoking is the deviation from the default position. Without indoctrination, atheism is the default position while belief in gods can be defined as a deviation from that norm. Now, that may oversimplify things as there is some reason to think that some level of belief may be the natural result of how we are wired.

Frankly, "brights" is just a way for nonbelievers to say, "You're self-appointed label is pretty arrogant, so how do you like our arrogant self-appointed label?" I prefer the term "skeptic" because it is more descriptive of my overall philosophy than simply pointing to one conclusion about one subject. It also distinguishes thoughtful atheists from the atheism-as-an-article-of-Stalinist-faith variety.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 01:39 PM
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11. Or "Latter day Saints'
Face it, every religion teaches that they, the followers, are better than everyone else

You can make up excuses, but in the end, there is ALWAYS the assumption that one is better because they believe in X

Brights is a much better definition than Atheist - why should we define ourselves in opposition to anything?
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:15 AM
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7. As an artist, I can only express my profound joy
that you have found fulfillment and a useful purpose in life as a paint brush.

Now for the big question: are you sable, bristle, or synthetic?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 01:39 PM
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12. Neither, I'm a semi-charmed quark
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 11:30 AM
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9. I prefer the term "freethinker".
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 01:43 PM
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13. That term at least has a long pedigree and suggests something beyond mere ego
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 01:45 PM
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14. Agreed. I am not a fan of "bright" at all.
"Bright" does have a tone of arrogance.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 03:13 PM
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16. It also makes me think of that children's toy from the 1970s...
...where they put colored pegs into a panel to make a luminous picture.

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 04:15 PM
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17. That toy was especially fun on Acid
Not that I would know, of course

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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 04:31 PM
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18. Well, now THATS the kind of bright I can support.
Edited on Fri Jun-17-11 04:31 PM by cleanhippie
:)
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 04:40 PM
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19. LOL - now that you mention it
Everything I saw did look as if it were lit by a million neon lights....or so I'm told
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 04:43 PM
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20. I'm rather fond of "godless heathen" myself
Definitely not a fan of "bright".
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dimbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 05:42 PM
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21. Brights? Dims? I'm more of a
foglight.
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