Christian Militants Discussed in Congress

The Republican Party wants us to fear Muslim extremists while ignoring their embrace of Christian extremism. Even as some of their presidential candidates represent undiluted Christian dominionism, they want us to be so terrified of Muslims (not to mention immigrants, gays, and atheists) that we ignore their hypocrisy. And yet, it would be a mistake to think that all of our elected officials are blind to this strategy. Believe it or not, the subject of Christian extremism does come up in congress once in awhile.

The video below is from a House Homeland Security Committee hearing chaired by Rep. Peter King (R-NY) on the subject of Muslim radicalization in U.S. prisons. It shows a fascinating exchange between Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) and Patrick Dunleavy, a former New York Department of Correctional Services official. Rep. Lee not only acknowledges the reality of Christian militants and the threat they pose to America but points out that they are not that different from the radical Muslims the right wants us to fear.

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I do not know much about Rep. Lee or her record. From what I have seen on her website, I assume that she is a Christian and probably would not appreciate me labeling her an "atheist hero." However, her courage and willingness to call out this hypocrisy is certainly admirable. Bravo, Rep. Lee!

http://www.atheistrev.com/2011/06/christian-militants-discussed-in.html

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But don't forget, fundamentalist militant atheists like Richard Dawkins who write books and call religion a delusion are JUST AS DANGEROUS. :sarcasm:

But we both know that certain people will anyway. It's what they do.

and bigotry that militant atheism has inflicted on humanity. Yes, some people will because it needs to said. It goes just a little farther than a few books and nonchalant criticms.

Complete with the flying ignoramuses, who will amaze you with their feats of mental gymnastics and daring aerial sophistry.



And for extra thrill and danger, they will perform the deadly MILITANT ATHEIST routine!!!!!!!!!!



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"We're right and all others are wrong." The trouble with that attitude is that there is far too much evidence proving you to be wrong.

What, exactly am I wrong about? YOU are the one making claims, not me. The only claim I made was the certain people will make a certain claim, and along you come, proving me 100% right. Instead of trying to prove me wrong, perhaps you should try and prove yourself right.

Good luck with that.

that organized atheism is far from from being as innocent of bigotry and violence as you would like for people to believe.

Has ever been a motivating factor for anything.

But keep at it.

while those doing the act are proclaiming themselves to be atheists and flying banners promoting atheism and anti religious sentiment, then it is quite safe to say that atheism is a motivating factor.

"Is the Position of Atheism Growing Stronger? By Joseph McCabe (1936)

“No wonder they hated and libeled Russia! For the news is spreading, and is triumphing even over reactionary opposition that Russia is doing the finest and soundest reconstructive work of our time, and it is doing this, not only without God, but on a basis of militant Atheism.”

It has been explained to you WHY your assertions are wrong, but you refuse to listen, as it does not fit with your agenda.

We know exactly what your position on this subject is, you have made it quite clear, but it has been demonstrated to be and dismissed as fallacious, and now you too are dismissed for continuing with it.

Have a nice day. :hi: :nuke:

And speaking of ad nauseum. Would you care to compare my number of responses to your number of anti-religious rants?

"I know you think that ... but you are wrong." Yes, and my reasons for thing that are based on years of acquired knowledge and evidence.

In short form, the facts are these:

Atheists have killed a great many people; very few of them were killed over questions of religious belief.

Believers in various religions have killed a great many people, and a large proportion of them were killed over questions of religious belief, and a goodly number were killed in process of religious ritual, as acts of worship.

Absolute numbers at present are not a particularly good measure of lethality of various social movements and cultural practices, since the population of the globe has increased so greatly over the course of the last century. On a 'deaths per thousand' basis, the conventional measure of comparison for rates of death across societies and cultures, believers in various religions certainly manage the higher score of persons killed over questions of religious belief or as part of religious practice than atheists manage.

Communist hostility towards religion owes to the view, not unjustified at the time, that religion was a sturdy prop of the Capitalist order, and of counter-revolutionary activity; suppression of religion was simply an element of destroying the Capitalist order en toto, one among many means to that central goal, not a chief am in its own right.

At least to some it may seem that way, but they all seem to have an agenda, as you have seen for yourself.

e.g. communism; and their militant atheism was part of a hostility to other ideologies. Few people supported Soviet dictators or ideology just because they were atheists; many people suppressed religion because it was opposed to, and in competition with, Soviet ideology.

Do you consider atheism to be dangerous *as such*?

E.g. I am an atheist. Many, though not all, of my family members are atheists. I have, in my time, had two Members of Parliament whom I actually voted for; both were atheists. I have voted for five political leaders to be Prime Minister; at least three were atheists. The leader whom I'm most likely to vote for next time is an atheist. (I did not vote for these people BECAUSE they were atheists, but because in all cases they were the most progressive people with some chance of election. I have also voted for left-wing Christians, and for people whose religion I did not know.)

Does that make me, or my family, or my preferred candidates, evil and dangerous?

Though he enjoys calling others 'ignorant of history', he has been unable to display any evidence of understanding Soviet history, or Chinese history, or the history of Socialism, Marxism, Communism or Anarchism, beyond a few citations from works written by religious figures devoted to documenting atheist horrors, a history of atheist leagues in the Soviet Union, and one or two other trifles and baubles, disconnected from any coherent body of knowledge.

And it goes to extreme lengths. For the more extreme ones, it is not enough that Soviet style communism actually was hostile to religion. Nazism must have done that too. Why? Because it's not enough that every atheist is evil -- every evil must be atheist too!

Hence the insane denial of Hitler's own quotes, and the fabrication that Jews were just the appetizer for the Nazis, Christians being the main course. It's a complete alternate history.

Perhaps some of the Holocaust denial we see around stems from that. At the very least, the ability to distort history willy-nilly is a requisite talent to be a Holocaust denier.

By the way, that 'suicide counseling' thread was a helluva lot of fun, my friend.

I think it is more than appropriate to call them extremists..

I hope, possibly forlornly, that this will lead to an examination of The Family/Fellowship's activities, even though it has members in Congress.

ps--Sheila Jackson Lee is one of the goodest of the good guys. She's a true liberal from the almost-defunct Democratic wing of the Democratic party.

bring up but I read the posts before I replied and saw the same bullshit pissing contest and poison pill so I guess I'll just pass. This could have proven a worthwhile discussion. Sad just very sad.

Nothing wrong with Christians or Muslims; plenty wrong with those who would use their religion for authoritarian purposes, or support violence or terrorism against those of other religions, or against other sects of the same religion (common in both Islam and Christianity; and Peter King, who supported the IRA was once an example of the latter).