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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 07:15 PM
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American Atheists object to WTC cross - ask for equal treatment
Monday American Atheists filed a complaint with the state of New York asking for fair and equal treatment by the National September 11 Memorial and Museum. Atheists ask that if the World Trade Center (WTC) cross be included in the National 9/11 Memorial and Museum, a memorial to the Godless should be included as well.

American Atheists argue that inclusion of the cross and the exclusion of representations suitable to non-Christians constitutes "a violation of the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, and is in violation of Sections 3 and 11 of the Constitution of the State of New York."

American Atheists have repeatedly offered to fund a suitable memorial to atheists, freethinkers and other non-religious victims of the 9/11 terrorist attack, yet all such offers have been ignored. Hence the lawsuit. Atheists are asking that either the cross be removed from the memorial, or equal space be granted to a memorial for atheists, freethinkers and the non-religious.

Over 50% of the National September 11 Memorial and Museum is being funded by tax dollars. Many feel that to single out Christians for special recognition while ignoring the hundreds of victims who were not Christian is wrong. Many feel that Christians do not deserve or merit special treatment, and non-Christians do not deserve to be treated as second class citizens.

http://www.examiner.com/humanist-in-national/american-atheists-object-to-wtc-cross-ask-for-equal-treatment#ixzz1TAKOI5k9

Full complaint below:

http://atheists.org/upload/WTC_Complaint.pdf
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 07:18 PM
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1. Tell them to stay out of it.
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 07:19 PM by Wilms
This is a war on Muslims. If the atheist's are lucky, they won't be targeted next.

:sarcasm:

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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 07:20 PM
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3. Polls show that atheists are hated more than Muslims. So, I'll watch my back.
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 07:19 PM
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2. I admit I was a bit taken aback when I saw them lowering the steel
framed cross at the site.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 07:23 PM
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4. This goddammed country. I'm sure the atheists' complaint will be blown off unfortunately, nt
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Kurmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 07:30 PM
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5. Those beams didn't fall in the shape of an A, oh well...
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:42 PM
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7. The beams weren't constructed in the shape of an "A."
The only reason why the beams resemble a cross is because that's how the superstructure was put together.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 12:18 PM
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9. HAHAHAHAAAHAHHAHA! Really? You posted that without a dripping icon?
Edited on Tue Jul-26-11 12:19 PM by dmallind
It's just absolutely fucking amazing that structural steel pieces, attached at right angles to each other by the thousands in that building, could ever be miraculously found attached at right angles to each other, eh? Must be the will of Jeebus to relive the good old torture days!
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:32 PM
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12. FAIL
Hilariously sad, fail, to be exact.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:38 PM
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6. I'm a Christian, and I object. It's not a religious site, and this has no business being there.
Unless they're also going to add random other pieces of steel from the site. This is idiocy.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:43 PM
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8. If denied, Atheists could put this
under the cross:

Where was Jesus on 9/11?

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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:09 PM
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10. There already is an atheist symbol on site at ground zero.
Nothing. If they are striving to get more favorable recognition, this is certainly not the way to succeed.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:40 PM
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11. Wow. That sounds eerily familiar to another argument I hear from time to time:
"Gays just want special rights."
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:27 PM
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16. How about the "sit down and shut up". Authoritarians the bunch. nm
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:33 PM
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13. Yeah, assholes, just fucking shut up
Edited on Tue Jul-26-11 03:33 PM by Goblinmonger
about shit and you won't get any backlash. If you didn't ask for things, you wouldn't be shot down so many times. Atheists are such fucking douchebags, right?

:sarcasm: for the impaired.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:13 PM
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14. "You just shaddup and be glad we tolerate you"
So openminded...

:sarcasm:
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:27 PM
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15. Your hatred is appalling. Are you a Christian? nm
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 05:00 PM
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17. So, It's alright for atheists to complain, but no one else? Now
Edited on Tue Jul-26-11 05:01 PM by humblebum
I see how that works. And where was anything hateful said?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 05:18 PM
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18. The atheists were complaining about unequal treatment and you essentially told to them to shut up.
What would you suggest they do to get equal recognition?

And you said the symbol for atheism is nothing. Not very Christian.
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 06:01 PM
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19. So I am not supposed to criticize atheism, is that it? nt
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 07:00 PM
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20. So you think Christians should get preferential treatment? Why? nm
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 07:08 PM
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21. And where are they being given preferential treatment? nt
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 07:11 PM
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22. Re-read the OP. Good grief. And I could give you a long list of other cases. nm
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 07:16 PM
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23. That of course is your opinion, not mine. Your perfectly
free to express your own views and opinions, which atheists do without any problem.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 10:26 PM
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25. So your opinion is that the atheists have no right to expect equal treatment? nm
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 08:48 PM
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24. Personally, I think the WTC Ground Zero is no place for religion
After all, twas religion that brought down the towers in the first place
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 10:33 PM
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26. Atheists should by all means be allowed to put a respectful memorial
at the site of 9/11 in remembrance of those non-believers who died in that national tragedy on that fateful day.
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Petrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 03:29 AM
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27. Insist, too, that the $ sign for Mammon be included. (eom)
:kick:
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