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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 01:30 PM
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Church sermons--think back.
I can't remember when I first noticed it, maybe in the early Bush years, when I got the impression that church sermons were being astroturfed. I think the idea first came to me when I heard a sermon in my church, and then read just about the same, word for word, in an article. Does anyone know how these sermons come to life? Are they original ideas, or is there some place that is sending them out to keep a uniform message?
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 01:33 PM
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1. Recced to zero.
There was very little reporting on a letter campaign by the Bush camp directly to churches in 2004. It's an interesting question, to be sure, but I don't have a smoking gun to show you.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 01:39 PM
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4. I think it came in too early for people to catch on to what was going on.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 03:00 PM
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15. I can tell you that on Kerry phone-banks, some Catholics volunteered the information that they were
Edited on Fri Aug-26-11 03:09 PM by patrice
receiving such letters, ostensibly written by lay leaders in their parishes, on official parish letter-head.

I heard this 3 times in the course of several phone banks over several weeks.

I remember one of the parishes that was having this experience in our metro-area was St. Elizabeth's.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 01:36 PM
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2. Why would you be attending a
church that would do such a thing?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 01:38 PM
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3. I stopped going to church shortly afterwards.
At the time, it was everywhere. The looney right and their billboard messages.

How quickly people forget.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 09:49 PM
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20. In my case I haven't been
to any kind of church services in very many years, so luckily I miss that kind of crap.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 03:04 PM
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16. Because it's a fascinating question? . . . research? I would if I had the time & stomach for it. nt
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 01:51 PM
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5. Go to Google and type in 'sermons'. There are dozens of sites offering pre-written sermons and
downloads. Then you can type in 'sermons for xxxx' where the xxxx is any given denomination and you'll get the same thing. I tired 'sermons for Baptisits' and came up with over 16 million hits.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 01:56 PM
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7. Thanks. Shame we weren't paying more attention back then, in the
days leading to the wars to see if someone was intentionally gaming the system.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 05:07 PM
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23. In my denomination, using downloadable sermons can get one defrocked.
I wouldn't dare use these sites. I like eating too much.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 01:55 PM
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6. Depends on the church, of course.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 01:57 PM
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8. I would think so too.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 02:06 PM
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10. Not in my church
:shrug:

But I recall a DUer a few years back who was the son of an Assembly of God minister who said that the Republicans had effectively taken over that denomination.
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Blue Meany Donating Member (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 02:04 PM
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9. Different denominations have listservs for clergy in which they
share sermons and ideas for sermons. There are even some that cross denominations, I think.
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 02:09 PM
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11. There's actually a Google ad for downloading sermons on the OP
for those of us whose stars have run out and were too poor to donate this last fund drive
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 02:23 PM
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12. The Southern Baptist Association has groups within, like subsidiaries, that groom
certain memes and philosophies in their members, teachers, leaders, and pastors. They'll promote ideas such as teaching teenage men that they have to be the bosses in their families, just as they work on teaching the young women to be subservient. these are ideas that are sometimes subtly reinforced in sermons.

The Sunday School curriculum usually follows a theme that can be reinforced, indirectly, in sermons.
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 02:26 PM
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13. I don't understand why this got moved. The OP is asking a political question, not a
religious one.

And there was a concerted effort to take over churches in the 80s & beyond. Including mainline denominations.

Churches are a weapon of politics, and the right is in the drivers seat on that front.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 02:27 PM
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14. You're absolutely correct. I think it's because they went too political
that they destroyed their own spiritual high ground.

Maybe the mods think there are too many posts on the subject today? Can't be helped since that report came out.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 03:07 PM
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17. Pardon, . . . which report, please? nt
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 03:09 PM
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18. .
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/sfl-fv-blog-working-class,0,1298406.story
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 03:11 PM
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19. Thanks!
:hi:
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 10:27 AM
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21. Because religions are
corporate media empires producing a product for profit.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-11 05:06 PM
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22. In my tradition, using the words of another in a sermon without public attribution
makes a pastor liable to disciplinary action. Doing it too often can get one defrocked. Plagiarism is frowned on in the pulpit as it is in print. So, I don't know what you mean by "these sermons", but I think your brush is a little broader than necessary.
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