Top settler rabbi: Soldiers will sooner CHOOSE DEATH than suffer WOMEN'S SINGING

From http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/top-settler-rabbi-soldiers-will-sooner-choose-death-than-suffer-women-s-singing-1.396180">Haaretz:


BTW, this is not about women who can't sing well. This is about any woman singing.

I just finished reading http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214x317846">rug's post about Saudi women possibly having to cover their 'tempting' eyes and then I came across this in Haaretz reading Middle Eastern news.

It amazes me how there is a patriarchal curve that just goes off the charts when you look at how extremists view women. And how they always put the burden of preventing temptation on the women, not the men who are supposedly the "strong-willed" one.

PB

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they just heard Yoko Ono, and made a vast generalization...

:)

...than sit in the silent vacuum of oppression.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysCPgkHniWQ">Which is sayin' A LOT!

:rofl:

PB

http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.396181.1321550082!/image/4004840311.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_295/4004840311.jpg

:rofl:

and I thought Mrs. Miller was...er...good. :-)

Whatever it is, it seems to be making too many people crazy as bedbugs.



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and I'm sure a close examination of men like that Rabbi would find he's pretty securely stuffed into a closet. He has a fear and dread of anything feminine, starting with what he sees as feminine within himself.

I've been picking their brains for years and have found this to be the case, always.

7 billion is too many anyway.

THAT is going to extremes.

This is not at all typical of Jews, even very religious Jews; but the RW settler types in particular can be very loony. The secular Israelis (who are a majority) are getting rather sick of the more extreme religious-right types, who as here are inclined to make all sorts of unreasonable demands.

Although, to be fair those of the Jewish faith rarely seek to convert others, while the history of Christianity and Islam was essentially conversion by the sword.

> Although, to be fair those of the Jewish faith rarely seek to convert others,
> while the history of Christianity and Islam was essentially conversion by the sword.

:rofl:

They were murderous to be sure, but genocide is an attempt to wipe out an ethnic group. I know that was ever the intent behind the crusades. Genocide is generally considered to be a modern phenomenon, arising from racist and nationalist sentiments that did not exist much before the 19th century.

>> Well, the OT is genocidal rather than forced conversions.

> Genocide is generally considered to be a modern phenomenon, arising
> from racist and nationalist sentiments that did not exist much before
> the 19th century.

The Crusades were every bit as "genocidal" as the OT conquests so whichever
term you choose to use, it applies to both.

You could just as easily have said that the Old Testament razings of cities
("Because Yahweh said so") were 'merely' "murderous", killing every last man,
women & child - I have no particular attachment to the word "genocidal".

:shrug:

My point was that the situation in the Crusades was pretty much the same
form of blatant inhumanity (and in a comparable stage in the "evolution"
of the religion/culture) as that in the rampage across the Middle East
done by the preceding major religion/culture.

However, it's quite true that nowadays Judaism, unlike the other Abrahamic faiths, rarely seeks new converts.

Rabbis can't seek converts. The tradition says that rabbis have to deny the request at least once to make sure the person really wants to do it. And believing in something that is not compatible with Judaism is an automatic disqualification with the rabbi suggesting that the person should follow his/her own non-Jewish path. What is known as "conversion to Judaism" is not really a conversion of belief but merely a way of joining the tribe.

Whilst I agree that the "ancient history" of the big 3 is "pretty much
the *same* history" up to "year 0" (or even 570), I don't think you can
claim the conquests on behalf of Yahweh as really being on behalf of
the Christian God or Allah.

I also agree that modern Judaism doesn't seek to "convert" anyone.
My earlier comment was aimed at the apparent forgiveness of the
first 1600 years of Judaism compared to the first 1600 years of
Christianity (and the ongoing first 1600 years of Islam) when each
of them has had their own (frequent) periods of murderous zealotry.

to bear children and to be household servants. Beyond that they're filthy vermin who should never leave their homes lest they taint the world for the pure and holy men. Such nice attitudes religion instills. :puke:

who made death look like a pretty good alternative to listening to their singing, but they are few and far between.

What's up with all this hubub over women? It's pretty clear to me they played a vital role in Biblical history. I suppose the rabbis would forbid Queen Esther from doing that voodoo that she do all so well? Or perhaps they would summarily execute Rahab rather than take up her offer of hospitality? I honestly believe that some religious types are just so uncomfortable in their own skins they have to go out of their way to share their personal misery.

And it will only get worse because they outbreed the sane, secular Israelis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22R5QMeFX-8

They throw out the fruit to gnaw on the rinds.