Scientology Woo-woo base found in New Mexico

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/26/AR2005112601065_pf.html

It is no wonder that Scientologists are so against psychiatry, fear those which would rightfully diagnose you as crazy.

Tom, TOM, you listening..... What a nutbag... :tinfoilhat: :woohoo:

.. are defending the mainstream mental health system.

That system is very corporatist and toxic.

Scientology may be a bit cultlike and wacky, but they got one thing right. Our mental health system is screwed, screwy, and screws people.

Sue

I have a stepson who is mentally ill (bipolar and epileptic), and proper medication has made him almost normal.

For the straight story about Scientology, see www.xenu.net. Scientology is much more than "a bit" cultlike.

"Scientology is much more than "a bit" cultlike."

You're right: it's SICK.

...I always call psychiatry the weejee cure. Why? Because nothing they do helps - they just wave aroung the feathered staff and try to make you BELIEVE they're helping you (while they take your money at the rate of $100 per hour).

I think how you feel about them depends on whether or not the meds help. In my case, nada. I did get a dandy case of side effects though because the dosages got jacked up so high to TRY to help the problem. And they put me on a weird new drug once that kept me from sleeping at all for more than 7 days - horrible. And they did dump me out from the hospital to the streets once because they thought I was homeless. (PTSD = homeless? Love that stigma!)

I also have epilepsy, by the way. It sucks. In my particular case, the epilepsy and the PTSD like to play together and make my life miserable by both firing off at the same time. Yuck. They both are made worse by stress, and stress is a huge part of life.

Unfortunately, for the most part, the mental health care system is still in the dark ages. Lord, it's almost impossible to try to get treatment for myself because my two illnesses affect each other. The neurologists don't want to help me because I have mental health issues. Regular doctors think people with mental health issues have cooties or something (love that stigma). The psychiatrists want to help me, but they are completely clueless when it comes to epilepsy. The end result is pretty shabby and stressful for me. So I end up not getting any treatment at all because it causes less problems for my illness.

(not Freudian psychoanalysis, call that whatever you like).

Seems to be a wider range of quality of care in that field. You should try someone else.

(I read PTSD is worse when it starts when you're a kid. Don't know how true that is, but it's certainly true in my case.) I've been seeing them for years, off and on. Haven't helped much. I've pretty much given up on them.

Again, I think it depends on whether or not the meds help. In my case, nothing helps. I'm stuck with some pretty severe symptoms. No doubt that influences my views. Why see them if they can't help? It's like going to the doctor about sores on your legs when your legs have been amputated. You're disabled, and they can't really help.

I get your drift. In my case, meds are valuable. I found a shrink who has a very chemistry-based view of psychiatry which made all the difference. Someone who's more up on side effects than some of the pharm reps themselves. Those people are hard to find.

There are a few I can't take for my PTSD because of my epilepsy (they cause seizures), but I've tried all the rest at every dosage level. The drugs don't help my epilepsy either, and I've tried most of the epilepsy drugs as well. Some people are just resistant. My body hates drugs of all types. I can't take them for very long before I start having serious side effects. I'd make a lousy drug abuser, heh!

What they are saying is that Tom "jump the couch" Cruise is in need of some intervention. That boy ain't right in his head, and Scientology does not seem to be helping him. AT ALL. He just drifts further and further off the page. From what I have read about their odd birth practices, I think Tom's new 'flame' is in for a hellish delivery of that child...and I don't think it is his, either!

Let me put it this way: I'd rather be sitting in an aircraft travelling at 30,000 feet next to Brooke Shields with a boxcutter, a bowie knife and a Swiss Army knife in her purse, than Tom Cruise with a plastic butter knife in his triple buttoned pocket.

That boy needs help!

So we should abandon science and medicine in favor of Xenu belief and audits to remove evil thetans?

I agree, our health care system is in need of many things, but abandoning psychiatry in favor of a crack pot religion is not one of them.

, like all things in this world, it's just a bit "whacky" to say that $cientology is a better alternative.

about the cult of the dead l ron hubbard. there rip on the mental health system is because ole` l ron was completly insane in his final days...his religion worked for him didn`t it...our mental health system does have it`s faults but it is better than nothing. i`ve dealt with the system for along time and as with anything else there are various degress of care..

and trying medication after medication, my 17 year old daughter was switched to yet another medication a month ago. In the past several weeks she has said, "I had a good time", "I had a good day," "This was fun." While life is far from perfect, I am beginning to allow myself to hope she will be able to have a good life.

...in the world. I'm envious. When the meds work, they can be like a miracle.

after a month or so... i threw then all down the drain. I have found that meditation and coming to understanding with the things that have happened to me and where the source of these mental problems have come from. To me most meds are useless placebos made only for profit. I do like the idea of cognitive therapy because most of the time it is the source of the problems not the effects we are dealing with. I think that is a real flaw in most western culture hmmm how do we end the side effects of something... well starting at the cause is a good start.

We need to as a nation start to look at the mental health of ourselves as well as the physical health.As the quality of life slowly detriorates in this country due to an overworked and underpaid labor force it's just a matter of time til this ticking bomb is set off.

to try to explain things. Some incidents or upbringings can be so damaging that the long term effects can never be cured. As with losing limbs or eye-sight, one just works on living with what one is left with.

However, along with the increased depression and torment and hypersensitivity, one can benefit from increased understanding and compassion, and even resilience, as little in the future can be as bad as what one has already gone through.

Medicine can "cure" this stuff, by electrocuting your brain until your memory is wiped, or drugging you until you can't feel, but the heavy drugs detract too much from life if one can do without them. Counseling and psychotherapy I have found a complete waste of time, as I feel too guilty afterwards for having upset the therapists by telling them stuff they don't seem able to handle. Besides, I'm not stupid, if just understanding the causes and trying behaviour modification was going to help, I'd have already cured myself.

But at least psychiatry, even when it can't help, does not try to make converts of us and bind us into some weirdo cult. And if it did cure everything, it would be a miracle, and not "science" at all.

What has helped me is a close, loving relationship, (not a perfect one, we both have to keep starting over,) prozac, finding a game on the net I really love playing, and just growing older. Hitting 50 seemed to make a big difference.