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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:01 PM
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I can do it in TWO commandments.
Why mess around with a cluttered bunch of rules when you only need a couple of good ones to guide you? My Two Commandments:

1. Forgive the world.
2. Forgive yourself.
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:03 PM
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1. I can do it in one.
Be nice, damn it!
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Master Mahon Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:04 PM
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3. Me Too
Love Everybody! (Not affiliated with the GOP) :+
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:15 AM
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38. Hey, that's TWO
1. Be nice.

2. Damn it.

Sounds remarkably Christian, too (conservative congregations).

:evilgrin:

--p!
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cain_7777 Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 10:11 AM
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40. Remember to wipe properly
Cleanliness is next to godliness. :hurts:
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sweettater Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:04 PM
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2. 3.
don't forgive *
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:20 PM
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4. 2
Don't kill
Don't steal
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 05:53 PM
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5. Those are good ones
Forgiveness, especially of self, is something often overlooked. In emotional release therapy, identification of the emotional trauma is determined, and then the trauma is released via forgiveness-first of the perpetrator, and then of onesself.
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:04 PM
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6. I can do it in less than one.
The laws of physics.

There you go!

(Expanded, it says "Be nice, help the poor, sick & lonely, be a good friend to all your friends, don't bother with jealousy; but help what others you can to get ahead" and a long list like that, but not as commandments, more as guidelines. It is the way I am leanring to live my life)
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:18 PM
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7. Treat others as you'd have them treat you.
Don't treat others as you wouldn't have them treat you.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:31 PM
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8. Jesus only gave us two
love God and love your neighbor as yourself

if you love your neighbor, you won't cheat him, steal from him, hurt him, etc

that pretty well covers everything

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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:55 PM
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9. Amen, or rAmen, etc. n/t
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:26 PM
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11. no ramen
I made fried rice instead

:bounce:
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:31 PM
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13. Yeah, and one of them sucks
Its all fine and good when your religious. But I don't want to love no god.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 10:29 PM
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17. but God loves you no matter what
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:36 AM
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19. How can something that does not exist love me? n/t
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 12:37 AM by Evoman
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:37 AM
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21. You do realize that many atheists find that just as insulting
as many Christians do when someone calls their beliefs a fairy tale, right?
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:31 PM
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29. Why?
if you don't believe it exists

it wouldn't be any different than believing in a fairy tale

and by your logic that isn't real

so when someone says something that you don't think is real anyway, why would that be insulting?

like, "unicorns love you"

has no effect on me because I don't believe in unicorns
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:28 AM
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39. Because it shows a lack of respect.
And believers such as yourself express your intense feelings that you aren't afforded enough respect. Perhaps you can start by showing some.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 04:41 PM
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42. My Intense Feelings Are My Feelings
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 04:42 PM by Southpawkicker
and may a deity bless you

(if there is one)

because I sure won't
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 07:27 AM
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43. Nice.
Very classy.

How could I not be impressed by the peace and tolerance displayed by a follower of Jesus?
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:11 PM
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46. self delete
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 06:49 PM by Southpawkicker
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 07:55 PM
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10. My two commandment system
1. Read Commandment 2.
2. Read Commandment 1.

Not much of a moral code really, but it keeps you out of trouble by keeping you busy.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 08:30 PM
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12. My commandments were better
Theres nothing in your commandments thats stopping me from stealing from you.

I've forgiven myself. I've forgiven the world....sigh....now I'm gonna help myself to your big screen TV and your wife. BOOYAH! The best part is, you have to forgive me ;)

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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:21 AM
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18. Enjoy the big screen TeeVee, if that's what make you happy.
Booyah.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 12:39 AM
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20. Nah, thats okay.
I never steal anything. Overall, your commandments are pretty good.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:19 PM
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14. I can do it in one: "an it harm none, do as thou wilt" (wiccan rede)
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:47 PM
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15. beat you by one!
Nice commandment btw.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:56 PM
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16. That Is A Good One
we should all strive to do no harm
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:49 AM
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22. There is a very old commentary by Maimonides
According to legend, this great Jewish scholar and rabbi was once asked to explain the Torah while standing on one leg. He calmly picked one foot off the ground and said, "Love God, and love your neighbor as yourself." He then replaced his foot and added, "All the rest is commentary."

I think that pretty well sums up the intent of the Commandments :hi:
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:58 AM
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23. That's a beautiful way to state it.
And I think the key is to know your "self," that which you love and then extend to others. It takes many years of living to strip away the false "self" that we learned as children, and find the one that's really worth loving unconditionally. I think that's why most of us are given a long life, 'cause it doesn't happen quickly.
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 02:59 PM
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24. Well, he's right, but
his summary is plagiarized from the Christian Gospels.

"'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matthew 22:36-40
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 03:20 PM
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25. Christians plagerized it from the Jews
After all, which religion is based on which? The sentiment is found in pre-Christian Jewish writings, and I think can be found in the Deuterocanon (aka the Apocrypha, if you are a Protestant.) It was part of Pharisaic doctrine, from which modern Judaism descended.
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 05:55 PM
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27. Christianity is older than Judaism
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 05:57 PM by Zebedeo
Modern Judaism, that is. After the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, the Hebrews stopped making animal sacrifices and over time developed modern Judaism.

end of animal sacrifice

Qorbanot

The ancient Hebrews, of course predated Christianity, but they did not practice anything like modern Judaism.

All of this is according to the Messianic Jewish pastor that spoke at my church.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 08:32 PM
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30. I'm Not Jewish
but I would wonder what a modern Jewish person would really think about Messianic Jews?
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 09:23 PM
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31. I think they don't like them
Edited on Wed Jun-28-06 10:01 PM by Zebedeo
one bit.

Actually, what you will hear from mainstream Jews is that Messianic Jews are not Jews. But in fact, they are Jews, and they celebrate the Jewish holidays and have Jewish traditions and rituals at their services, as well as the Christian ones.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 04:39 PM
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41. Well They Aren't Claimed By Judaism
so they are really their own religion?
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 05:20 PM
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45. I would say that they are Christian Jews
I would not call it a separate religion, but a subset of both Judaism and Christianity. It could be represented in a Venn diagram if I could do html. lol
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 03:54 PM
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26. I can name that God in *one* commandment!
(Sorry, nothing to see here. It was just a funny...)
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 07:53 PM
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28. 1. Utillitarianism, 2. The Catagorical Imperative
1. Make sure that your actions cause the most happiness to the most people

2. Do not act in such a way that society couldn't function if everyone did the offending action
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 10:05 PM
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32. Uggh. Utilitarianism.
The most happiness to the most people . . .

So if Charles Manson would get more happiness out of using your chainsaw to torture bunnies than the happiness you derive from having it in your garage, he should be let out of prison so he can steal it from you?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 10:12 PM
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33. You really need to get out more, Zeb.
There's a whole world outside of your bible, and it comes in colors, too.

Black and white thinking is so last millennium.
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 11:03 PM
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34. Exactly my point
Utilitarianism (black and white thinking) sounds good at first, but when you think about it, it would lead to profound and monstrous injustices. Something much more nuanced is required.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 11:09 PM
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35. From the Legal Encyclopedia at answers.com:
Utilitarianism


Utilitarianism is a philosophy of jurisprudence whose adherents believe that law must be made to conform to its most socially useful purpose. Although utilitarians differ as to the meaning of the word useful, most agree that a law's usefulness, or utility, may be defined in terms of its ability to increase happiness, wealth, or justice in society. Alternatively, some utilitarians measure a law's utility by its ability to decrease unhappiness, poverty, or injustice.

The utilitarianism movement originated in Great Britain during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries when philosophers Jeremy Bentham, John Austin, John Stuart Mill, and Henry Sidgwick began criticizing various aspects of the common law. Bentham, the progenitor of the movement, criticized the law for being written in dense and unintelligible prose. He sought to cut through the thicket of legal verbiage by reducing law to what he thought were its most basic elements—pain and pleasure.

Bentham believed that all human behavior is motivated by a desire to maximize pleasure and avoid pain. Yet he observed that law is often written in vague terms of rights and obligations. For example, a law might say that a person has a right to take action under one set of circumstances but an obligation to refrain from action under different circumstances. Bentham thought that law could be simplified by translating the language of rights and obligations into a pain-pleasure calculus.

Utilitarians have tried to apply Bentham's hedonistic calculus to criminal law. They assert that punishment is a form of government-imposed pain. At the same time, utilitarians believe that criminals break the law only because they do not fully comprehend the confusing language of rights and obligations. Accordingly, utilitarians conclude that law must be stripped of such confusing terms and redrafted in language that equates socially undesirable conduct with pain and socially desirable conduct with pleasure.

Utilitarians measure the desirability of human conduct by the amount of happiness it generates in society. They maintain that the ultimate aim of any law should be to promote the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people. Utilitarians would permit conduct that produces more happiness in society than unhappiness and would proscribe conduct that results in more unhappiness than happiness. Some utilitarians envision a democratic society where the happiness and unhappiness produced by a particular measure would be determined precisely by giving everyone the right to vote on the issue. Thus, those in power would know exactly how the citizenry felt about every issue.

Although the application of utilitarian principles may strengthen majority rule, unfettered democracy can lead to tyranny. Utilitarians are frequently criticized for sacrificing the interests of minorities to achieve majoritarian satisfaction. In a pure utilitarian form of government, a voting majority could pass laws to enslave minority groups so long as the institution of slavery continued to satisfy a preponderance of the population. Concepts such as equal protection, human dignity, and individual liberty would be recognized only to the extent that a majority of the population valued them.

Modern utilitarians have attempted to soften the harshness of their philosophy by expanding the definition of social utility. Law and economics is a school of modern utilitarianism that has achieved prominence in legal circles. Proponents of law and economics believe that all law should be based on a cost-benefit analysis in which judges and lawmakers seek to maximize societal wealth in the most efficient fashion. Here the term wealth possesses both pecuniary and nonpecuniary qualities. The nonpecuniary qualities of wealth may include the right to self-determination and other fundamental freedoms that society deems important, including freedom of speech and religion. Under such an analysis, institutions like slavery that deny basic individual liberties would be declared illegal because they decrease society's overall nonpecuniary wealth.

Economic analysis of law has more practical applications as well. Richard A. Posner, chief judge for the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, is a pioneer in the law and economics movement. He advocates applying economic analysis of law to most legal disputes. For example, in negligence actions Posner believes that liability should be imposed only after a court weighs three factors: the pecuniary injury suffered by the plaintiff, the cost to the defendant in taking precautions against injurious behavior, and the probability that a particular injury could have been avoided by the defendant. This cost-benefit analysis is widely accepted and is applied in negligence actions by both state and federal courts. Thus, through economic analysis of law, utilitarianism and its permutations continue to influence legal thinking in the United States.

http://www.answers.com/topic/utilitarianism


It doesn't say anything about black and white thinking, Zeb.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-28-06 11:47 PM
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36. You apparently don't really understand Utillitarianism.
Or at least the form of Utillitarianism I follow, Rule Utillitartianism (popularized by the 18th century british philospher, social reformer, and liberal politician J. S. Mill).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 06:12 AM
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37. I can do it in one sentence...
From Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure:

Be Excellent to each other!
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:14 PM
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44. Jesus only gave two
plus one hidden one.

Love God.

Love others.

(Love yourself.)
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