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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 04:18 PM
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Parents, kids protest `no Halloween`
Sep 30, 2006, 20:18 GMT

SOUTH ELGIN, IL, United States (UPI) -- About 60 parents and children gathered at the South Elgin, Ill., home of a principal who canceled the elementary school`s annual Halloween celebration.

Dressed in Halloween costumes and carrying signs with frowning ghosts and jack-o-lanterns, they chanted 'Save Halloween' as TV cameras rolled, the Arlington Heights Daily Herald reported.

Jacqueline Hazen, in her first year as principal, said she canceled the Halloween celebration because some parents complained about its pagan origins.

She said the school would hold a 'fall celebration' instead ..

http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1206903.php/Parents_kids_protest_%60no_Halloween%60
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 04:19 PM
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1. Will they be cancelling Christmas as well?
You know... pagan origins and all that...
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 04:23 PM
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2. Of course not. There's a War on Christmas, and it must be saved!
On the other hand, religious wingnuts see NO problem at all with staging a War on Halloween.

Don't you think it's time we fought back?
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 04:24 PM
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3. I'm glad someone is finally standing up against....
Edited on Sat Sep-30-06 04:26 PM by Kutjara
...this evil, pagan celebration. Except it's not pagan. Halloween (All Hallows Eve) is the day before All Souls Day, the Christian day of rememberance of those who have died. It is an old Christian tradition that the souls of the dead walk abroad in the world on Halloween.

The tradition does have its roots in earlier, pagan, practice, but then so does most Christian tradition. Christmas grew out of the Roman festival of Sol Invictus. Easter grew from the Aestrus fertility celebration. If fundies want to ban all festivals with a pagan taint, they'll be left with nothing to celebrate.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 04:39 PM
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4. Time to Ban Fundy Bans on Everything. n/t
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 08:44 AM
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5. How refreshing
we teachers are afraid to put pumpkins in our rooms.

What is life without a celebration of death???


bleh

May they never again eat chocolate
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 09:59 AM
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6. My girlfriend in high school was amused.
We had a big Halloween celebration. But we only had a "winter holidays" sort of atmosphere in late December. No presents, no mention of Christmas.

She was vaguely pissed. A fundie Xian, her church kept neither Xmas nor Halloween. She wanted both banned. When she took off for her church's holy day celebrations, she was penalized for it.

Most other fundies were pissed at the asymmetry: Halloween and Valentine's Day, ok; Xmas and Easter, not ok.

Most non-fundies wanted them all, since classroom party = no schoolwork.

My attitude is that public schools should hold obligatory important tests on 11/1 and 12/25.
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:18 AM
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7. C'mon, even Jesus loves halloween
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:41 AM
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8. They seem to have forgtten..
...Or in all likelyhood never educated properly to understand that the way 'Halloween' is now, is not what is was originally. As with most all holidays, they were stolen from much older religions. They were in fact Christianized and their meanings changed.

"Easter" was stolen from Astaroth. Originally known as "Ashtar." This holiday coincides with the Vernal Equinox of spring when day and night are of equal length. Known as "Eastre" to the Anglo-Saxons. As the Goddess of fertility, she was associated with rabbits and eggs. The xtians stole this holiday and twisted its meaning. Other names include: Easter Eastre Eos Eostre Ester Estrus (Estrus is when an animal goes into heat; mating season) Oestrus Oistros and Ostara. Again, the "Lamb of God" was stolen from the Zodiac sign of Aries the Ram which occurs every spring.

Halloween is really Samhain, a fire festival to celebrate the dead and to please certain deities. Jesus birth was originally celebrated in March, not December. The Christians changed it December 25th because they wanted to interrupt or ruin a the Roman sun G-d celebration day.

About 2000 B.C.E., Persians began worshipping the man-god Mithra, who was supposedly born from a god father and a human virgin mother.

Mithra's birth was said to have occurred in a cave or stable, and was witnessed by shepherds who brought him gifts. Later, his followers celebrated this event with a ceremony at midnight on the eve of the Winter Solstice.

Mithra was viewed as a Redeemer. He was believed to have performed miracles, such as raising the dead, healing the sick, making the blind see and the lame walk, and casting out devils.

According to legend, Mithra celebrated a Last Supper with his twelve disciples before he ascended to heaven. In memory of this, his worship-pers partook of a sacramental meal of bread marked with a cross.

In subsequent years, a stone image symbolizing Mithra was buried in a tomb. It was then withdrawn and he was said to live again. Followers of Mithra believed a person had to be baptized in order to ascend into the heavens after death. Mithra is supposed to return at the end of time to judge the human race.

In 67 B.C.E., Mithraism was introduced into the Roman Republic. Later, Mithraism stood as a powerful rival to the newly emerging Christianity. In fact, by 307 C.E., Mithra was officially designated the "Protector of the Roman Empire." However, by 358 C.E., followers of Mithra began to be persecuted under Christianity.

In addition to being a man-god savior, Mithra was connected to the sun god. Later, Christians began referring to their own man-god savior, Jesus, as the "Light of the World" and the "Sun of Righteousness." Christians moved their Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday (sun-day).

The Seventh-Day Adventists, however, are an example of one modern Christian group which has kept its Sabbath on Saturday.


The list goes on, the christian religion had no holidays. Since they took certain things out of the Jews Torrah to create a new cult, they did not celebrate any Jewish holidays. So, along the way they took certain things from much older religions and spun them to make them their own. The virgin birth was taken from Isis and Horus
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tomcalab Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 11:39 AM
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11. Amazing!
Amazing information, and right in line with the bits and pieces I have heard. Thank you for taking the time to put together a wonderful read.

As for Halloween, I loved it as a kid (early 60's), and feared it as a parent(early 90's.
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DumpDavisHogg Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 11:27 PM
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9. The Taliban comes to Illinois n/t
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 08:54 AM
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10. Harvest Home celebrations are FAR more pagan than Halloween
Oh, the irony! :rofl:
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