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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:56 AM Original message |
LAT: Bearing witness to a sea change in Unitarian practice |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
1. yeah, but can they work atheists into their world view...? |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. mike_c.... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 10:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
97. WOW - I'm glad I never got around to attending a service. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. How about we reverse that? Can some athiests work them into their world view? |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:28 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. w4rma... |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:47 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Cool. I should research the Unitarians more. (nt) |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:30 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Atheists don't have a "world view". |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. of course we have a "world view...." |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:48 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Because we don't. |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 02:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. I agree. My world view is consistent with Atheist view. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 02:36 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Really? I'm an atheist, so tell me, what's my world view? |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 11:16 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. A rational world view... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Spell it out. Tell me what I believe in. What world view do ALL atheists share? |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Religion is only a small part of world view for most and for some,... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 02:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Great, now an atheist is telling me what I do and don't believe. |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:31 AM Response to Reply #33 |
92. Not attempting to do that at all. Sorry if it seemed that way... |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 07:45 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. I think what BMUS is trying to say |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
62. I wish a lot more people would understand atheism this way. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. No, we wouldn't want that. |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:35 AM Response to Reply #41 |
93. I do agree with her... |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 03:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. I consider myself an Atheist and this is only part of my World view. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. So you speak for all atheists? |
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heidler1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Nobody has. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Yes, they have. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. Ditto! That is pretty much my woldview as well. |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. Agree. n/t |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. Atheism does not describe a homogeneous group |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. and theism does...? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. We might not kill each other over our different interpretations, |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I think this whole subthread probably turns on semantic differences.... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:31 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Why am I defensive when others define my atheism? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:38 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. no-- why are you so adament that atheism is not a legitimate worldview...? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:51 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. ARGH! I DON'T HAVE ATHEIST BELIEFS! |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-04-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #60 |
102. You, personally, may not do that, but |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-05-06 12:17 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. What does your post have to do with redefining what I believe or don't? |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-05-06 03:50 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. I did not mean to define atheism for you, |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-05-06 07:02 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. I did not say you were irrational and illogical. Please don't put words in my mouth. |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-05-06 11:03 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. It really doesn't matter to me who believes what, |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-05-06 11:38 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. See, that's why I love this forum. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Since I was directed here |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. OK, again, I think semantics are getting in the way.... |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:58 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. I would first argue |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:01 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Oh brother, the Sacred Dictionary Definition. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:07 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. there doesn't appear to be much likelihood of finding common ground... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:10 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. On the contrary, we find it in here all the time. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Not only that |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:06 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. Nobody would say that |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:08 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. "I mean you are the poster child for this" |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. I suppose it's up to w4rma |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:16 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. I'm sorry to say |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Hear that, Gobby? |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:23 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Hey! |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:26 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Sorry, I live on the dark side. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:16 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. No, it was up to the people who said we have a world view. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
76. You are dealing in stereotypes, not semantics |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:37 PM Response to Reply #76 |
85. I hope the irony of this discussion gets through to someone.... |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:46 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Perhaps you are getting flack |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Oh, I have a world view, |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 11:46 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. I noticed it. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 07:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. There's a distinction here that BMUS is making but you're not getting. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. sure it is-- I believe in a rational world that has no need for gods.... |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 07:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Because beyond that |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 07:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Like a jewish atheist. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:37 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Or a Czech-American atheist. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. Or an Uppity one. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:07 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Some day |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:11 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. You're on! Except we'll have to do it in the next county, this one is dry. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Or you can come up here. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:25 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. Gin and tonic for me. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:29 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Gin is too "evergreeny" for me |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:31 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. You slacker. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 02:55 AM Response to Reply #73 |
89. Lol...where the fuck do you live and why the fuck do you live there?!. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 03:00 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. On another planet, I think. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. see #50.... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 10:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
99. It's YOUR worldview - not all atheists share it. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 03:10 AM Response to Reply #10 |
91. "I won't speak for other folks" |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 10:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
98. Believe it or not, this atheist thought about going to one. |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Hi, Mike, I'm a Unitarian |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:36 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. LOL-- that's a good one.... |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. And then there's my favorite Uni-Uni joke: |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. You're exactly right. |
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Freedom_from_Chains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. I suppose my first question would be why would an atheist want |
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Spinzonner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 03:23 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Atheism is a the disbelief in the existence of deities |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 07:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. In our case, we went to UU to be with like-minded people. There |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 07:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
20. Heck, yes. Mr. Nay and I were presidents of our UU church, and |
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TAPat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 07:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
23. The UU church my partner, our daughter and I have |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. The UU minister that officiated at my wedding |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 11:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
25. I am an atheist who occasionally attends UU services. |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:37 AM Response to Original message |
8. UU'rs have the highest rate of Post-Graduate Degrees among their |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. If I'm seeking a "basic truth" that can only be defined by me, |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 07:22 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Because your ideas and approach to defining your "basic truth" |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. And I need to go to church to do that? |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 02:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Well it is considered a religious sect by the IRS... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 03:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I have nothing against liberal believers, UU or any other kind. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. I am a member of a UU fellowship |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. But again, others say it is a religion. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. That's exactly how I see it. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. It probably is better for kids to learn about all religions in that setting. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 09:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. You know it. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 11:12 AM Response to Reply #45 |
95. the world has ended ..... I agree with BMUS! |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. my first thought upon reading some of the responses in this thread... |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. I don't know." |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-30-06 09:52 AM Response to Reply #48 |
94. Historical reasons, mainly |
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UnrepentantUnitarian (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-03-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. UU is an attitude. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-05-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Where is the documentation that Jefferson was a Unitarian church member? |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-06-06 09:43 AM Response to Reply #101 |
109. Unitarians believe |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-01-06 10:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
100. That's your right, GM, but do you realize they think you're religious? |
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jarnocan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-29-06 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
16. My kids have had atheist and even a 'witch' as UU Sunday school teachers |
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