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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:09 PM
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Well, I called and left a message with the Big Ten about their proposed dilution of the brand
Not that it will do any good. I checked on the head of the Big Ten, James Delaney. ACC guy. Figures. Why doesn't he leave our brand alone, and go get a job at one of his razzle-dazzle conferences?

The woman I spoke to was very nice. She put me through to a comment line, and said that their administrative assistants log all the comments. So someoone will see it at least. There's not much more I can do, I guess. The Big Ten, the oldest athletic conference, is about to dilute its brand name.


http://www.bigten.org/school-bio/big10-school-bio.html
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:16 PM
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1. I have come to accept that they will probably add one more team, and if it
is Pitt, I am OK with that. If they add five teams, that will be sheer lunacy, and an invitation for the league to implode itself.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:20 PM
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2. It makes me feel physically ill
Pitt is the least of the evils, I suppose. But I feel sad, sick, angry......and powerless.

They don't need the money. They've earned billions. I say, get rid of this Delaney character, and put a Big Ten guy in (or woman).

Bleah.

I think I'll write a letter, too. Why not? At least I'll have done something.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:25 PM
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5. I honestly don't know who is pushing more for this expansion, Delaney or this
Condem character!

:D

As I said, Pitt and Penn State are fine with me. To me, it's got to be a team that has the "big ten values", which only Pitt would seem to have.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:33 PM
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6. A team with Big Ten values?...
Is that like Repuke "family values"?

I know...you must be a Tenbagger.. :rofl:


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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 05:10 PM
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11. This coming from the supporter of the biggest known CHEATER in MLB.
Too funny!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:36 PM
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8. I'm still totally pissed Boston College is in the ACC. nt
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:29 PM
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3. Meh. They let Penn State in to make it 11. Have been courting ND forever.
Tradition left the Big 10 a long time ago if you ask me.
Signed a native Ohioan.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 02:52 PM
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4. I agree - Penn State should go
In that case, IIRC, the presidents agreed to let them in, without consulting the ADs.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 03:36 PM
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7. It sucks. It's all about $$ and getting TV money from a league playoff game. nt
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 04:24 PM
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9. Not sure why the Big Ten (11) feels the need to do this anyway.
They make plenty of money as they are.

It's like they have sort of an inferiority complex with the SEC or Big 12.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 05:02 PM
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10. They make gobs of money
There is absolutely no reason to do this.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:03 PM
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16. Intra-league playoff game for championship brings in TV$$$$. nt
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:09 PM
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17. Probably over 20 mil for one game, Captain.
Sorry, traditionalists. You have NO say.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:19 PM
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18. LisaM and I could have a great weekend if we had that kind of cash. Thelma and Louise -
Edited on Mon May-10-10 10:20 PM by Captain Hilts
without the murder rap, of course.

Perhaps more like Lucy and Ethel...

Hilts: I can't get past having a private school like ND in the Big Ten...
LisaM: Yeah, like BC and Wake Forest in the ACC...
Hilts: Well, Lisa, I guess you gotta learn to suck on it an' like it...
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 11:45 AM
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19. Ha ha ha
Actually, the Big Ten has a private school - Northwestern!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 08:43 PM
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22. The Wake Forest of the Big 10 - they don't fit in!!! nt
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Moses2SandyKoufax Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 06:21 PM
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12. How much are they willing to expand?
I can see adding one school to make it an even twelve. Taking it to sixteen is a bit extreme, imho.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:47 PM
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13. I love it!!!!
Bring 5!! Nebraska, ND, Rutgers, Mizzou and PITT or Syracuse...or Maryland. It's going to happen. Go to ESPN. 61% want expansion. It's you geezers who are up in arms.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:57 PM
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14. That's so fucked up condem! There really aren't any teams that deserve
to join the Big 10/11. Think about it, between huffs.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:13 PM
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15. You know what the Big Ten Channel made in advertising revenue last year, mad?
66 million dollars. In what? The second year? You people have to realize something. College football is big business. All your romantic notions
of the Big Ten staying inert are fairy tales. There's a lot more green to be had out there. I'm all about expanding the great name of the Big Ten. And that's what Delaney is doing. All this from an ex-Duke BBall player. And your dead wrong, mad. Nebraska has beeen playing Big Ten football since Bob Devaney. Would love to have them!!
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 12:52 PM
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20. 61 percent of who? People who read ESPN online?
Poll people with connections to the Big Ten.

Change is not always good. Big Ten needs to be headed up by someone who's not from the southeast.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 08:53 PM
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24. Argue all you want, LisaM.
It's going to happen. I think you're a little bummed that the Wolves are on the low end when it all goes down. Their importance has most definately dropped.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 10:11 PM
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27. Now you have gone and dissed a Michigan fan, and an Ohio State fan
is going to stand up for her and her team. I'm a fan of the BEST team in the Big 10 (sorry, LisaM), and once again I call bullshit on what you are trying to sell us, Condem. You really need to put down the spray paint can and start respecting and enjoying the way the Big Ten is NOW!
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 11:48 AM
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31. This has nothing to do with Michigan
and everything to do with tradition. I'm disappointed in you! Iowa has a grand Big Ten history, with some great rivalries.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:21 PM
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33. To be honest with you, LisaM, I hate the Minnesota rivalry.
Looking forward to new blood. Iowa-Nebraska and Iowa-Mizzou. Bring it on!!! All Things Must Change...George Harrison.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:16 PM
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35. Aha!
You want to get Minnesota off your schedule, I see it all now. Well, how about if Iowa just LEAVES the Big Ten, then? That would leave ten teams.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:24 PM
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36. You'd still get 6 more teams, LisaM.
Syracuse instead of the Hawkeyes...yeah, that's it!
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 02:46 PM
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42. I don't think so.
We'll miss Iowa, they are pretty fair and square and their fans are nice, but if you'd rather play Mizzou than Purdue or Michigan or Wisconsin, well, I guess, don't let the door hit you on the way out!
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 01:43 PM
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21. No way on Maryland. Not happening.
I can tell you NOBODY wants that here. I think the AD would be run out of town.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 08:50 PM
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23. You mean, TZ, that the discussion has been brought up in the DC area?
Seriously? Okay. I'm dying to know two things. Why would the Maryland AD be run out of town for improving Maryland's financial and athletic standing? And, more importantly, that Maryland would be given one ounce of consideration from the richest league on the block.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 09:22 PM
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25. Ive spoken with several Maryland students and alum. They dont give a shit about the money
They consider themselves a Basketball school and consider the ACC to be cream of the crop when it comes to that. They like playing Duke and Carolina and dont want to go to the big ten.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 09:55 PM
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26. There's just no geographical cultural basis for MD being in the Big 10. nt
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 10:15 PM
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29. Now I'm standing up for TZ! Condem, why the fuck would MD even
contemplate going to the Big Ten.

Maybe the thought that they would lose the so called (by Upton/boy4) East Coast bias financial bias from their east coast donors is why they would never consider moving to the big ten. Just like Rutgers and Princeton would not move either.

Put down the spray-paint can, condem.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 07:47 AM
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30. Read my post carefully, mad.
I can goddam guarantee you one thing. IF ASKED, the twerps would be on that Big Ten bandwagon before Ralph could finish his salad to get to the main course.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:00 PM
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32. No it hasn't.. Not a peep.
I just know my school and the AD Debbie Yow pretty well. Also academically, the University which has been working on its reputation there quite successfully is more in line with other ACC schools.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 12:23 PM
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34. Everything has a price, TZ.
Reminds me of that line from 'Back To School'. "Well, Professor, it was a pretty big donation."
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:47 PM
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38. They are inviting Rutgers apparantly
Which would make Maryland superfluous believe it or not. Rutgers and Maryland share alot of similarities. Don't know why anyone things a NJ team would work in the Big Ten but I think if an East Coast team goes it will be them.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:50 PM
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39. Go to post #37, TZ.
You might not be talking about Maryland but we are.
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 10:11 PM
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28. not keen on the expansion, either
I thought it was weird when Penn St joined, but I've adjusted

I'm guessing I'll adjust again, but I definitely prefer adding only 1 more school rather than 5.

As long as it's not Notre Dame.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:27 PM
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37. Here ya' go, everyone. Here's what we're talking about on HawkeyeNation.
http://www.hawkeyenation.com/forum/football/10133-how-four-4-team-divisions-big-10-can-work.html Whaccha' think??
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 01:51 PM
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40. Maryland a "protected rival" of Nebraska?
WTF is he smoking anyway? Maryland has ZIP ties to anyone or anything in the Big 10. The only team we have ties with is Penn State..I actually think Penn State would be a better ACC TEAM than Big 10 team
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 02:29 PM
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41. You'd be the ONLY one who thinks that, TZ.
Unless of course mad comes over to kiss your ass AGAIN. Three, two, one...
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 03:13 PM
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43. I brought this up with a couple of coworkers.
They all think you are bonkers......(oh to be fair, ones a VT guy and the other is from Massachusettes)
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 03:35 PM
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44. LOL!! Well, that says it all.
You East Coasters don't understand the POWER of the Big Ten Network. No worries. You soon will.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 03:56 PM
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45. Has everyone in Iowa lost their minds?
That's what I think, or else they have a realllllly bad Little Sister complex.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:30 PM
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46. In a State with no professional sports teams, LisaM...
..HawkeyeNation allows us geniuses to figure things out. Expansion is THE topic. A neverending stream of opinions. Most are quite good. Some...like very site you have some radical thoughts. A very good site for us Hawks.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:50 PM
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48. It's all the cans of spray paint that they have huffed. A picture of condem...


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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 04:48 PM
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47. What the fuck are you Iowans huffing?
That is just fucked up.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:08 PM
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49. If you listened to Pat Forde of ESPN, mad, this morning..
..he essentially said the same thing. We are just wired into this deal. You east-coasters are getting left behind. Just listen to ol' Condem.
You'll be one of the hip fellers.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:22 PM
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50. As a midwesterner, I still think all this is BS.
If the Big 10 does go with 16 teams, they will be committing suicide.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-10 05:34 PM
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51. You WERE a midwesterner, mad. Once.
Alas and alack, you are now east coast elite who has no idea what's going on in the Heartland. Hey, BTW. There's a poll on the ESPN college football site. Looks like if the public had their way ND would be in the Big ten. 72%. Wow. Now, go watch your pro teams.
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