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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 12:40 PM
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"Baseball is (now) just another game without its history."
Littwin: A sucker born every spring

Like all true baseball fans, I resent Barry Bonds. And like most normal humans, I don't like Barry Bonds, either.

He not only cheated to become the baseball home run champion. He basically forced everyone to concede the sad truth of what every baseball fan, by then, already knew — that the game had been rigged and that all the numbers upon which baseball are built were crumbling.

Bonds didn't make a sucker of us. We were already suckers. He just rubbed it in.

(snip)

Baseball is just another game without its history. We know Ruth's 714 and Aaron's 755 and Bonds' Whatever It Is. Nobody knows how many yards Elway threw for or whether Unitas or Manning has more touchdown passes. Baseball is different. Or it was....

Read more: Littwin: A sucker born every spring - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/littwin/ci_17850620#ixzz1JnrZ22uy
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 12:54 PM
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1. (snip)
That's the legacy of steroids and the steroid era — of which Bonds is only the largest symbol. He was guilty, and baseball, which allowed the steroid scandal to happen, was even guiltier. And now who knows which of the mighties, which of the icons, is guilty or innocent? That's the cruelest part.

(snip)

But what crimes did Bond commit against us, the people? What did he do exactly that was worth spending millions of dollars — Sports Illustrated estimated the cost at $7 million — and eight years in the pursuit?

(snip)

Coincidentally, at the same time of the Bonds verdict, a Senate subcommittee on investigations was releasing a report showing Wall Street's responsibility for toxic mortgages. But — and this may not surprise you — exactly no major Wall Street executives have gone to jail or have even been charged. Back in the '80s, during the savings and loan crisis, 800 people went to jail. The government decided this time that it needed Wall Street executives to help save the economy and that it didn't matter so much who was guilty of what.

We're too busy waiting for Roger Clemens and even the sainted Lance "It Wasn't Only About the Bike" Armstrong to go to trial. Is it just me or does it seem like the justice system isn't necessarily the best way to resolve this particular crisis?

Read more: Littwin: A sucker born every spring - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/littwin/ci_17850620#ixzz1JntpTvdO




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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 07:48 PM
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6. How dare the govt prosecute for lying under oath!
I mean clearly it's okay to lie to anyone and everyone and no one in the world has ever been prosecuted for that! He's also a celebrity so he deserves to be above the law! Also, justice is less important that figuring out how much it costs to prosecute. We should only go after poor people who can't afford to put up a price. This whining about a RICH celebrity who broke the law used illegal drugs and lied is unbelievable. You do know that if this was not a celebrity, he mist likely would have been prosecuted and in jail? He's been treated much better than some one not famous would have been- he had the best defense money can buy- his idiotic friend went to jail, and he had a doctor with no ethics whatsoever perjure himself. Bonds brought this all on himself. Fucker is still getting off easy.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:08 PM
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7. Take it up with Mike Littwin...
it's his piece, his quotes. I thought it would be interesting to post some of the article the OP so conveniently left out. I think Littwin makes some interesting points. Here's a little bit more to delight you:

I still think the trial of Barry Bonds — now mercifully at an end, until the appeals process begins anyway — was a farce and maybe a travesty.

Read more: Littwin: A sucker born every spring - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/littwin/ci_17850620#ixzz1Jpdrmfwb
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 12:30 PM
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9. Well, let's think about how much money Bonds made via deception.
How much money was spent by fans on that deception? By media outlets? And then how much of a genuine American cultural history was lost?
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 04:42 PM
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2. I simply am amazed you show your face in a Bonds thread
Bonds Apologists like you have helped make baseball a game without it's history.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 05:03 PM
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3. I hope you were addressing uptonboy4 not me.
I'm just a Cubs apologist.:silly:
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 06:52 AM
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8. Of course....
Sorry about the Cub thing.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 05:07 PM
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4. Manning has more
Edited on Sun Apr-17-11 05:07 PM by JonLP24
He is 3rd behind Marino and Farve.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 05:26 PM
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5. "A game without it's history." That is what has happened.
Ken Burns' Baseball said in the First Inning: “It is a haunted game in which all players are measured against the ghosts of all who have gone before.” Not any more thanks to Bonds and his ilk.

Sure, there was the Dead Ball Era and the heightening then lowering of the mound, but this affected everyone. So, unless you can say that everyone was taking PEDs, then this ruined one of the best aspects of the sport. And Bonds holds two of the most cherished records. Well, they aren't important anymore.
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