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Renew Deal

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Wed Dec-07-05 12:26 AM
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Why isn't Oregon in a BCS game?

They finished 5th in the BCS. How do they end up playing #23 Oklahoma in the Pacific Holiday bowl? Why aren't they in a BCS game?

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northzax

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Wed Dec-07-05 01:08 AM
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1. East Coast bias, of course

no one watches Pac Ten games. they're on too late. But Oregon basically lost to Notre Dame, that I can understand, but Ohio State? that blows.

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kick-ass-bob

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Wed Dec-07-05 08:53 AM
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5. How about middle of the country bias?

It was either Ohio St or Notre Dame that took their spot.

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northzax

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Wed Dec-07-05 12:43 PM
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6. that's the East

Ohio's only one state away from New York, after all. And Notre Dame has a strong following in the East.

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democracyindanger

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Wed Dec-07-05 01:13 AM
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2. Because

"Rudy" had better box office than either of the Prefontaine movies.

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underpants

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Wed Dec-07-05 12:45 PM
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8. That's because there was only one Rudy movie

and from what I have been able to tell 15 Prefontaine movies :eyes:

Very funny

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democracyindanger

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Wed Dec-07-05 01:08 PM
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9. 16 if you count the Lifetime version

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Robeson

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Wed Dec-07-05 01:46 AM
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3. It's unfair. Especially since I love their uniforms.....

...:-)

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tx_dem41

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Wed Dec-07-05 07:34 AM
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4. Because ND and Ohio State will bring higher TV ratings....

and most likely (definitely in the case of ND and most likely in the case of OSU) bring more people to the bowl venue.

Its all about money.

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northzax

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Wed Dec-07-05 12:44 PM
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7. maybe higher TV ratings

and ND will bring more people, but Oregon has sold out the Fiesta bowl before, and would do it again.

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Dulcinea

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Fri Dec-09-05 02:46 PM
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13. Notre Dame is a HUGE TV draw. Oregon isn't.

Plus, there are ND fans everywhere. Is that true of Oregon?

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Twillig

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Fri Dec-09-05 03:36 PM
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14. Yes, yes. Popularity trumps accomplishment!

that justifies everything.

I suppose If the Golden Gomers had lost more games it would be okay to be in the Fiesta Bowl just like in
2000.

Let me remind you of that experience. The Gomers got beat by Oregon State

41-9

The Gomers claim to fame this year is losing to USC. I'd go farther and say that it was having them 4th and 9 and
choking it away, but what the hey?

Losing is losing. Like losing to Michigan State.

Notre Dame's Losing 7 of the last 7 bowl games they've been in is an indication that their popularity consists of getting
their asses handed to them every year in a bowl game.

I'll be watching to see the 'other' OSU lay the smack down on ND.

Mike Hass winner of the Biletnikoff award over some ND no-name.
Go Beavs

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joeybee12

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Fri Dec-09-05 04:04 PM
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15. Good Lord! Calm down!

Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 04:12 PM by joeybee12

ND lost to USC by 3, USC trounced Oregon. Enough said.

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Twillig

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Fri Dec-09-05 04:37 PM
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16. ND lost two games.

Enough said.

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democracyindanger

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Fri Dec-09-05 05:40 PM
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18. And there it is

You know your team sucks when your season pinnacle is a loss.

Notre Dame barely got out of Palo Alto alive, while Oregon thumped the Cardinal 44-20. Oh, that's right--that was a win, and the only thing ND has to be proud of this season is its loss to USC.

The Irish: The Best Losers Around.

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Dulcinea

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Sat Dec-10-05 04:59 AM
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21. I'm not saying I agree with it.

Edited on Sat Dec-10-05 05:01 AM by Dulcinea

I'm saying that's how it is. As many people have pointed out, it's all about money.

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northzax

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Sun Dec-11-05 11:37 AM
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23. plus, Notre Dame is cheaper

under the new rules, the BCS pays Notre Dame only 4.5 million for the appearence, Oregon costs 12.5 million. (it's the same money to the schools, the rest goes to the conferences)

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central scrutinizer

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Wed Dec-07-05 01:27 PM
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10. We're not going unless they change it to the Christmas Bowl

We can't let our country further slide into the gaping maw of hell so those of us at the UO who are concerned about the future of this great country are boycotting. :sarcasm:

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mduffy31

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Wed Dec-07-05 05:44 PM
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11. Because the BCS is about money

A Notre Dame-Ohio State game gets better ratings. Now I may be biased but that is what its about. The Bowl games are no longer about achievement, it is about money. Add a fifth BCS game and we don't have this problem.

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Twillig

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Wed Dec-07-05 06:56 PM
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12. "What the BCS has done is given teams that aren’t good enough--

"What the BCS has done is given teams that aren’t good enough to belong to a BCS conference an opportunity to show that they belong."

Football
Irish Stewing
By Tony Gerdeman

I know that I don’t speak for all Ohio State fans when I say that people just need to stop whining about Notre Dame getting an automatic bid for being in the Top 6 of the BCS poll. If there wasn’t a Top 6 stipulation for mid-majors, then we’d never be able to see a Utah or a Memphis or an Arkansas State or a Notre Dame in the BCS.
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And so what if Notre Dame has lost seven consecutive bowl games. You can’t always expect to win 14.3% of your bowl games. If you look at their opponents over those seven bowl games, it’s easy to see why they were unable to overcome the big school mystique.
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In the 2000 season, Notre Dame lost in the ’01 Fiesta Bowl 41-9 to Oregon State. There is no truth to the rumor that they sold their entire ticket allotment to Nebraska fans. It was probably this game that epitomized the distance between a BCS school and a mid-major like Notre Dame or Tulane or Louisiana-Lafayette.
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In 2004, Notre Dame once again lost to Oregon State. This time the bowl was the Insight Bowl and the score was 38-21. However, this time Notre Dame exacted their revenge on the hurtful Beavers by losing to them by fifteen fewer points than they did in 2001. This was a clear indicator that Notre Dame was definitely ready for that next step. That “next step” was aided last year when Utah made the BCS and walked all over mighty Pittsburgh. Notre Dame saw that and said, “If Utah can win a BCS game, then so can we!”

Irish Stewing

:evilgrin:

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BamaLefty

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Fri Dec-09-05 04:49 PM
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17. Because they are Oregon

It's that simple.

The Dumbers of ND have so much more national appeal. It's the same reason why we (Bama) are going to a better bowl than LSU even though they beat us and won the SEC West championship. Names carries a lot of weight...

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Syrinx

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Sun Dec-11-05 06:06 AM
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22. from a fan's pov, we (Bama) are going to a worse bowl

I know the Cotton Bowl pays more money than the Peach, but I'd sure prefer 6:30 at night to ten o'clock in the morning. Who wants to watch football at ten fuckin' o'clock in the morning. That sucks.

Wake up ESPN morons!

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BamaLefty

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Sun Dec-11-05 03:24 PM
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24. Yeah,

but the big wigs of UA don't care. As long as they get their check... they'd play in Alaska.

And also, the game is on Fox. And Syrinx, why don't you give us your opinion on the Fox network while your ranting? ;)

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KamaAina

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Thu Dec-15-05 02:48 PM
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26. In Hawai'i, the *late game* comes on at 10 AM

NFL, that is. In college, ABC usually has a special West Coast-only game starting about 1 our time, but it's usually a titanic tussle like UNLV vs. San Diego St. :sarcasm:

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Sandpiper

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Fri Dec-09-05 11:38 PM
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19. They play on the West Coast

Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 11:44 PM by Sandpiper

And get no attention from provincial eastern and central time zone sports writers.

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jakefrep

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Fri Dec-09-05 11:50 PM
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20. Because the Pac-10 sucks nt

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bmbmd

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Thu Dec-15-05 01:02 PM
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25. Let's hope OU makes a game of it

Edited on Thu Dec-15-05 01:02 PM by bmbmd

and doesn't stink up the joint like Cal did last year.

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Broken_Hero

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Fri Dec-16-05 12:22 AM
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27. I hope OU

chokes on their own spit, and Bob Stoops gets hit in the head with a golf club...Stoops dresses like he is going golfing...

Oh, if you didn't catch it, I don't like OU in the least bit, one very overrated squad, and I don't see how these yahoo's got into a bowl game, but again, its OU and their bs mystique and all that pandering nonsense.....

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fishwax

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Sat Dec-31-05 05:47 PM
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34. yeah, it's all bs mystique

that's why they beat a top 5 team in the Holiday Bowl :)

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joeybee12

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Fri Dec-30-05 10:23 AM
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28. Just HAD to kick this out of spite and malice!

:evilgrin:

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democracyindanger

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Fri Dec-30-05 05:20 PM
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29. What, it took Oregon longer to get as many losses as ND?

Notre Dame: We Lose More Often, More Quickly

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joeybee12

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Fri Dec-30-05 05:35 PM
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30. Face it, Oregon was over-rated...

...Oklahoma was far from the best in the Big 12, and they still beat Oregon. If you're a half-way decent team, and have a half-way decent coach, then you should be prepared for a bowl game since you have usually about 4 weeks. Apparently Oregon just isn't a good team.

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democracyindanger

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Fri Dec-30-05 05:44 PM
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31. Big talk for somebody who's looking at a 3 loss season

Better hope that ND doesn't humiliate itself AGAIN in an undeserved BCS bowl on national TV. Given its history, though, it seems the more likely outcome.

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realisticphish

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Sat Dec-31-05 01:20 AM
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32. I myself hope so

go bucks! :D

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terryg11

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Sat Dec-31-05 09:38 AM
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33. BCS got that right

they couldn't even beat a young, struggling Oklahoma team.

The ducks are good but overrated by about six to ten spots

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fishwax

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Sat Dec-31-05 05:49 PM
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35. oklahoma hasn't been struggling for quite some time

their only loss since the second week in october was against a top 20 team on the road due to two extremely controversial calls in the last minute of the game. They finished the regular season 7-4, but were certainly playing better than their record by the end ...

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terryg11

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Sun Jan-01-06 08:27 PM
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38. true, they were playing better

but if they were a BCS contender as in the past few years then they wouldn't have been beaten by TT on a controversial play. They would have stomped them by the third quarter and TT wasn't a bad team. This still isn't the OU team of recent years and thus Oregon really can't complain about being left out of the BCS picture now. If Oklahoma was back in top form and ORegon had still stuck with them then I would agree that they might have gotten screwed.

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fishwax

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Sat Dec-31-05 05:50 PM
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36. I agree. It should have been ND's ass that the Sooners kicked

in the Holiday Bowl :)

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RUMMYisFROSTED

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Sat Dec-31-05 07:28 PM
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37. 'Tis the life of a Duck.

:rofl:

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jakefrep

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Tue Jan-03-06 04:54 PM
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39. Judging from how they mailed it in...

..against Oklahoma, Notre Dame would have beaten them handily, and Ohio State would have flat-out destroyed the Ducks.

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democracyindanger

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Tue Jan-03-06 05:32 PM
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40. You should watch games before commenting on them

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jakefrep

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Tue Jan-03-06 10:53 PM
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41. I did.

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Renew Deal

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Wed Jan-04-06 12:56 AM
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42. WTF

What kind of reponse is that? How do you know they didn't watch the games?

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democracyindanger

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Wed Jan-04-06 03:21 AM
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43. You're right

It's entirely possible that he did watch the game, but was too drunk to actually comprehend what was going on.

Lots of criticisms to make, but saying they "mailed it in" is so divorced from reality that it has to be the view through an alcohol-induced haze.

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Renew Deal

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Wed Jan-04-06 03:26 AM
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44. lol

Much better! :rofl:

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