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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:06 PM
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NCAAF:OSU/Mich winner vs. SEC Champ for the National Title?
That's how it looks like it will play out thanks to the the Rutgers upset.

Ohio State Michigan winner (there first ever game as #1 and #2)

vs

Florida Auburn winner (if they both win out to get there)


Texas doesn't have anyone to compete with a top10 match up in the SEC championship game like Florida and Auburn would have.
http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfootball/

Oh crap I forgot about Arkansas
http://www.secsports.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=2&change_well_id=1

ARkansas has three SEC games left
Tennessee at home
AT Miss. State
LSU at home

Auburn has two left
Georgia at home
AT Alabama in the Iron Bowl

but Arkansas beat them 27-10 back on Oct. 7th.

Well it still looks like Florida has everything right in front of them.

They all ready cinched a place in the championship game Dec. 2 in Atlanta

So.Carolina, Western Carolina, and Florida State are out there on their schedule.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:18 PM
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1. BCS is a mess
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 01:21 PM by Jersey Devil
The problem with the BCS is that too much credit is given for preseason rankings (=money=TV ratings). Rutgers wasn't ranked preseason so it is impossible for them to get to the NC even if they go 12-0. Yet if Notre Dame went undefeated playing 12 games against the Sisters of Mercy they'd be ranked #1. Of course money has everything to do with it. Why would anyone want Rutgers or Boise State in the NC with so much money involved?

My guess is that you are right about Arkansas if everything you say happens does happen, except for one thing - Do you think the BCS wants Arkansas in the biggest game of the year when USC or Mich or OSU or Florida or some other big name glamor school can make more money there?

But how can anyone claim a national championship when there are teams undefeated who can't even get to the game?

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:21 PM
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2. Yeah I know but ....
unfortuneately I think you would be hardpressed to find many people who think that Rutgers is as good as anyone in the top 10. I know a lot of that is from not having ever been there before but hey you have to start somewhere-even Florida State had to EARN their reputation but of course that is a bad example because even at 5-4 I could see St.Bobbie getting back into the top 15 somehow someway :eyes:
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:27 PM
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3. Well, if Louisville was #3 and Rutgers beat them,
and Rutgers does not move WAY up in the rankings, then the entire system of rankings is a complete sham.
OK, you can say Louisville was overrated, but doesn't that also throw the whole thing into question?

What's the explanation? "Sorry boys, our top 10 is accurate except for number 3."

I'm an RU fan and I understand what you're saying. Also, I don't think you'll hear RU players or coaches saying they should be in the NC this year. But what kind of system it is to award a national championship to teams based on past performance from prior years?

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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:53 AM
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9. It's not so much a sham as it is based on conventional wisdom
...and the conventional wisdom is a sham.

The fact that people will openly admit that a team has to prove itself for a few years before it earns the right to play in a NC is bogus in my opinion.

The computers, which don't play favorites, have Rutgers currently ranked number 2 behind Ohio State. Now we can argue/discuss all day about what's wrong with the computers, but it's the CW that Rutgers simply can't be as good as an SEC or ACC or Big Ten team that brings them down in the rankings. The Big East is constantly shat upon by sportswriters and fans of other conferences because "that's the way it is" even though they have one of the best non-conference records, and that last year the Big East champion beat the ACC champion in a bowl game. Doesn't matter, they'll cry, the X conference is just better.

I've practically given up on College Football as a viable sport as long as the current system exists simply because unless you follow one of about 20-30 "name" teams, you stand little chance of watching your team reach a major bowl game, much less the national championship, becuase even if they start their year with a squad of kids named Lucas, Notre Dame will rank higher than yours simply because of the "ND" on their sweater.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:25 PM
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13. If West Virginia beats Rutgers
there should be some Big East empathy with the SEC. I think an eight (or more) team playoff is a good solution. It can be played in December and would not extend the season. Only the bowl hierarchy stands in the way; however their bowls could be used as sights for the tourney resulting in a win-win.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:15 PM
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5. Arkansas is a good road and Bowl team
Fans flock and gather and spend lots of money wherever they go. And who has better uniforms or a better mascot then the Arkansas Razorbacks? Okay lets hear it; I'm sure someone may have an opinion on that question. And which College team has the best Heisman candidate no one has ever heard of? And which team has the punter with the coolest pre kick ritual? And which team has a Nutt for a coach? And as an aside, the Hogs play in the toughest conference in the country. Pretty good argument if I do say so myself. Its time for the SEC to Hog some BCS bowl games.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:47 PM
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4. No.
BCS will screw Florida for either USC or Notre Dame. It will happen.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:50 PM
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10. Looks like that is exactly what happened
Suddenly the drubbing ND took (and I am a ND fan) against Michigan didn't happen. :shrug:

Lots of football left though. USC could get beat before they get to ND and if that happens and they beat ND then Florida could be right back where it was. UF isn't as good as they have been though.

Hell at this point I wouldn't be surprised if for some reasons that all the experts are more than willing to explain Florida State ends up back in the mix. The love them some Saint Bobbie on the TV.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:12 PM
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12. Pollsters certainly
LUV both Notre Dame and USC, regardless.

That's why we need a REAL National Championship tournament instead of this BCS bullshit.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:30 PM
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14. I'm not so sure
Florida is going to be the SEC champ. I'm not wanting to Hog in on your logic and root out the basis for your thoughts, but that championship game is gonna be one big sty full of woooo pig sooooieee! If the lil ole school from Fayetteville makes it to Atlanta they and their fans and Florida haters from Georgia will own the Georgia Dome.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 07:08 PM
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6. No. I say winner of the UM/OSU game should play the runner up in the UM/OSU game.
IF it's an excellent game.
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terryg11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 09:24 PM
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7. I'm down with that
why? Because I will be more than happy to watch the Big Ten champ roll over on the SEC champ. Sooo tired of hearing about how tough the SEC is. This year it probably is better than the Big Ten top to bottom, maybe and that's a BIG MAYBE.

I think Florida or Arkansas will play for the title against winner of Saturday's game.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 08:10 AM
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8. Its hard work being the toughest conference in the country
Throw in the better mascots and the better uniforms and the better fans and, well, its just hard work.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:51 PM
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11. In an incredible twist of fate....
Florida State ends up in the championship game.

Kidding of course but I really wouldn't be surprised.

Auburn is the second best team that I have seen play this year. They messed up though.
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