ESPN radio: Bellichick AP coach of the year

Its OK to cheat kids, really. Lie, cheat, steal, win. Get elected pResident.

Whats next, Michael Vick MVP?

:popcorn:

Mike McCarthy was robbed

I understand its coach of the year, not poster boy of the year. I for one did not think Favre should have gotten SI Sportsman of the year

Lets set aside the cheating. What has he done, as coach, to win this award? They were preseason favorites the minute they signed Moss. So the sportswriters are all patting themselves on the back with one hand and stroking themselves off with the other. Only they could fuck up a season with the talent the Pats have.

The point is 16-0. Yeah, and OBL is still alive and we are still in Iraq and the Afghan heroin trade is 97 billion.

Our country is fucked up

Right fucking now!!!

I hate the Foreskins but even I think Gibbs should have won.

All I can say (besides agreeing with you) is::wow:
I will have to file this away for future reference though...;-)

but between the Sean Taylor incident and losing his star QB, Gibbs pulled off a pretty impressive string of wins. Still doesn't excuse him for two timeouts, or his inability to win the division, but this year, it should have been his.

Gibbs is and has been a great coach. But McCarthy took a very young and inexperienced team (except for Favre) and, in just his second year, turned them into one of the best teams in the NFL. I didn't think the Packers would get to 8-8, much less 13-3.

I count three (Giants, Chargers, Foreskins) - and the Pack played those first two early, when they were both struggling. If not for a fluke fumble, they don't beat Washington. McCarthy also didn't have to deal with the turmoil that Gibbs did, or win with a backup QB at the end of the season. I think Gibbs gets the edge here.

And they stunk this year. No coach of the year award for someone who gets beat by my team twice in 2007.
The Professor

but yep, I was thinking it. :)

:wtf:

How about Jon Gruden and getting the Yuckaneers in the playoff!

What a joke! A complete fucking joke!

Plus, if he didn't win it, it would be more reason for the Pats to kill everyone in the playoffs.

If they run the table---what pick will they have in the first round of the draft in April?

they will pick 7th.

actually they lost their 1st pick because of cheat gate.

Thanks to their draft-day trade with them last year.

Punishment should have been for the highest pick held by the Patriots in the 2008 draft.

that went unbeaten this year was robbed!

I am sure his players and fans dont deserve any respect

Anyone who knows the game beyond a simplistic rah rah standpoint knows this. The team went 16-0...hello???? It wasn't from cheating, as much as the whiners would like to think that.

This has made my day. Seeing so many people bent out of shape in this forum is always a plus, and we can count on the Pats to do the bending. :P

How do you know? Maybe he just got better at it?

What about all the victories prior to this year - how many were legit?

Yeah, we get bent out of shape when PROVEN CHEATERS win awards. Sorry to disappoint, but it has nothing in particular to do with your special team.

What about all the victories prior to this year - how many were legit?

So stop whining and get some proof. "Innocent until proven guilty" and all that.

You're making charges that we could hurl at anyone who has been successful before. Hey, maybe Bill Walsh cheated too! See how easy that is to lob out charges with zero proof just to make myself feel superior?

Yeah, we get bent out of shape when PROVEN CHEATERS win awards.

And I like seeing you get bent out of shape.

If it makes you feel better I don't think he deserved to win either, not because of what happened, but because there are other coaches who have done great this year with a lot less than Bill has to work with. But having said that, he's still a great coach, and I'd say that no matter where he was coaching. Anyone who thinks otherwise is, as I said, a simpleton with no real football knowledge. Admitting someone is a great coach has zero to do with my personal feelings for them.

So stop whining and get some proof. "Innocent until proven guilty" and all that.

So the previous complaints of being videotaped from other teams like the Packers aren't evidence, then?

You're making charges that we could hurl at anyone who has been successful before. Hey, maybe Bill Walsh cheated too!

Except that this isn't JUST about targeting someone because of success. It's targeting someone who was PUNISHED BY THE LEAGUE FOR CHEATING.

Got it?

Unfortunately all the tapes confiscated (and destroyed) by the league would have contained the evidence that would clear or convict Belichick in past games. How convenient. The NFL certainly would have suffered a huge black eye if it could be shown that Belichick had cheated in previous games, and especially in the Super Bowl. What a huge hit for any sports league to take - the idea that its championship game was possibly tainted. So it's good to know that there couldn't possibly be any ulterior motives on the league's part to destroy those tapes as soon as they got them. Whew!

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Are past complaints from other teams evidence?

On edit: Dangit, clicked the wrong Reply.

Past accusations alone aren't proof because anyone can make an accusation, as I showed earlier. However, if there was evidence beyond an accusation (and I think in the Green Bay incident there was, but I'm not sure) then sure, it can be considered. But if other teams were doing it why single out the Pats about those previous years now? And why were the Pats still better if so many were doing the same thing? The NFL sent out a league wide memo at the beginning of training camp this year talking about it. They didn't just send it to the Pats, but every team, so obviously the problem was fairly widespread.

As for this year, they were wrong, and I said so at the time. I thought the Jets game should have been forfieted (which would have ruined the unbeaten thing from the get go). But I think it's also naive to the Nth degree to think that had anything to do with what they've done this year. I know you think I say that because I'm a Pats fan, but I'd honestly say that about any team in this position. I like the game more than I like any one team. :shrug:

Because I haven't heard anything indicating that, except from Pats apologists.

Issuing a statement to all teams would be no different than a teacher announcing to a class that cheating will be punished, even if she is only aware of one student who is cheating.

We can be pretty sure the Pats aren't cheating by video taping other teams' signals anymore. But the taint of cheating is there, and unfortunately always will be.

And maybe the league isn't covering up for the Pats as you suggested earlier either. You seem to see evidence that fits your view and are running with that. And maybe I'm doing the same. :shrug:

The teacher point you make is valid and I'll concede to that.

The bottom line to me is this; The Pats fucked up this year, but they're still a great football team. The players didn't cheat, the coach did. What the players have done is still amazing. I know there's a taint on them, but that taint should be on Belichik and Kraft more than the players themselves. I honestly don't see how anyone can suggest that the one incident with the Jets has somehow made them as successful as they've been. If you're "pretty sure" they aren't cheating now then how about giving them some credit for what they've done since they did? ;)

I'll catch ya tomorrow on any replies. I have a top 40 CD list to compile and so far #3 through #40 is so close I can barely choose. This is gonna be a tough one this year!

How come he was a dismal failure in Cleveland as a coach? Brain transplant? Or perhaps he has a better organization and MUCH better personel and players.
I think he's a good coach but I think its more about Brady and Moss and having a good owner...

Of course having a better organization makes a difference. But he still has to get all those ingredients to cook together to make the final dish. Brady is a huge factor (the lack of good QBs in the league is unreal. The fact that Vinnie Inceptaverde can still get a job says a lot), but it's a combination of factors, from Brady, to the other great players, to making good draft picks and on and on. Bill Walsh was 2-14 and 6-10 his first two years. Did he start cheating or need a brain transplant to get good, or did other factors come into play?

Scotty Bowman, the legendary NHL coach, also said coaching a team of stars is much harder than coaching a team of average players. If true, and I've heard that sentiment elsewhere in other sports as well, that's also a credit to Belichik, because the Pats have a star player in almost every position on the field right now, something else very few people seem to want to admit.

Yes I know it. There seems to be two types of very good coaches...Those who can get outstanding players to play up to their entire potential (Belichick) and then there are coaches who can get good/decent/mediocre players to play above their abilities (to some extent) (Gibbs). I'm a bit old school I suppose. Belichick to me, was in such an ideal situation that if he hadn't succeeded, it would have been a bad reflection on him. I'm just more impressed with the people who succeed agaisnt all odds, as the Redskins have done in the last 4 weeks...
If he had gone 16 and 0 with a banged up offensive line, and a second string QB..then, THEN I would give him coach of the year..

Belichik would have been my third or even fourth pick. I'm like you, I'm more impressed by people who manage to get the most from little. :)

Exactly... and there's no denying there are other coaches who deserved it more... so we all agree this award is officially a joke now. :)

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"The Associated Press on Thursday named the Patriots' Bill Belichick its 2007 NFL Coach of the Year. No, seriously. Two conclusions may be drawn.

Either The Associated Press must have been drunk when making the selection. Or joking, perhaps.

Aside to The AP: Belichick was fined $500,000 by the NFL this season, and his team made to forfeit a No. 1 draft pick, in the Spygate scandal. In the odd timing category, honoring Belichick is a bit like naming, as your Humanitarian of the Year, Michael Vick.

The Browns' Romeo Crennel, Packers' Mike McCarthy, Bucs' Jon Gruden and Redskins' Joe Gibbs come to mind as better (and nobler) Coach of the Year options. Give it to Gibbs, for overcoming the death of Sean Taylor, not to mention a 5-7 record, to get where nobody thought he would be.

Our other major award winners, while we're at it -- Defensive Player of the Year: Colts safety Bob Sanders. Rookie of the Year: Vikings running back Adrian Peterson. MVP: Patriots quarterback Tom Brady (because he didn't spy on other teams, he just happened to play for a coach who did).

A reason beyond the ethical one why Belichick as coach of the year is silly:

Where is the particular magic or coaching acumen in sending the best team in the league out onto the field and discovering that (voila!) it was the best team in the league again?

The Patriots would have been in the playoffs this season with my mother, your mailman, Paris Hilton or Belichick's gray hoodie as head coach."

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You seriously think the Jets would not change their defensive hand calls during the 13 weeks between their two games?

...but apparently everyone here is saying something about it. Lord, are we in GDP????

but apparantly we are? please clarify

...I mean, I know Bill is Satan, but some of this is over the top.

its ironic that he gets an award. Everyone has something to say about it. I am responsible for some of the over-the-top comments, I admit. It seems to me that on a political forum, given what we've all had to deal with for the past 7 years, lying, cheating, spying,scandal, getting caught at it and getting away with it....this situation is symbolistic. Now you chime in how we're not even supposed to express a different point of view. Christ, where have we heard that before?

I cant stand Mike Ditka, but he had the best take on it:

"if you get called a cheater, and it does not bother you, you are a cheater"

This seems pretty mild compared to a lot of other threads I've seen here.
But what the hell, I post in the Health forum, I'm probably just used to it....:D

As I stated above to trotsky I don't feel the teams success is because they cheated...but they DID cheat nonetheless, and I can see why picking that as an example of coach of the year could bother people.