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deignan Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 05:02 PM
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Poll question: Alternative Poll to 'Hypothetical Choice'
Edited on Sat Jan-15-05 05:28 PM by deignan
This poll is to gage general wariness of registering a vote to A Hypothetical Choice and Party Support

Please participate only if you did not vote in the other polls above. If you are wary about registering your vote in this poll also, please indicate this by ignoring this post. Thanks!
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deignan Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 05:37 PM
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1. My Vote Counts Somewhere
Edited on Sat Jan-15-05 05:38 PM by deignan
Since I cannot vote in Hypothetical Choice (technically, I used my vote to help cover lwfern's change from A to Strong B) I am voting here.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 06:05 PM
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2. Your polls are bunk
and I know you don't care since you don't address other people who raise this issue in your other poll threads, but it's disingenuous to ask people to choose between choice A and choice B when choice A is logically and realistically impossible. There *IS* no 100% birth control method. NO matter how much you want to parse it as "well, SUPPOSE it's so"...there isn't, and your pseudopoll is completely invalid because you're asking people question based not only on hypotheticals, but UNREALISTIC hypotheticals.

Totally disingenuous
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deignan Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 07:05 PM
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3. Long and short of it
Heddi,

Your initial impression is the very same as others -- including myself. Unfortunately, it is not possible for me to pose a proper question so I must rely on Q&A to discover what might be clarified and clarify what cannot. This is about a question that is odd to us for the very reason that it has not been asked before. That is the point of the proposition and in conditioning the answer to be a simple preference.

Our political leaders have not put any such proposition before us to debate. We are unsure of their principles and understand that 1/2 of what they say is "just politics". Do they even have principles? Do we know our own?

They encourage us to vote our passions and ignorance rather than to engage in debate and considered opinion. They have a monopolistic retention rate in the House and Senate as a result of the success of this method. We even have a polarization of the constituencies of the political parties like no time else in history. Believe it or not, we are polarized on personality! http://www.info-theory.blogspot.com Should we accept this? Are we the tools of the well paid and well connected? It is our choice.

Personally, I choose 'No'. I believe that I am like others in that regard and for that reason I am asking that we do something radical -- explore possibilities that we have not mapped out yet -- the possibility of a principled consensus free from categoricalism and the idolatry of certainty and comfort. In the real world, nothing is perfect, but we must ask questions that assume perfection in order to test principle. Our world is complex to the degree that it is absolutely impossible to understand much less predict the consequences of any of our actions. The very fact that we are communicating today is the consequence of an uncountable number of events and chance occurrences. Could either of us have predicted this?

We don't know what obstacles and forks will lie in our path whatever road we choose and we cannot avoid the choice of moving forward. Time progresses and we are all its slaves. When knowledge fails we have only our principles to guide us. Our principles are simply a distillation of all knowledge of the road already traveled. We might ask a question about the road ahead, but to pose a question that will yield a useful answer we must first accept that we don't know for sure what we should be asking and knowing with certainty that any question posed is therefore near certain to be absurd.

The point of this absurdity is to test for the existence and political feasibility of a principle upon which to reform the Democratic Party. There are 125 subsequent replies to this absurdity. In them you will find the answer to your just objection. I am sorry it cannot be a simpler process.
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4. Locking
This constitutes spam posting as one thread on this subject is more than sufficient.
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