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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:24 AM
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This from the former assistant education secretary under H.W.
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 10:25 AM by Fire1
and initially supported NCLB and pushed unsuccessfully for national academic standards under H.W. Bush. Ravitch now realizes that BUSINESS principles WILL NOT WORK FOR SCHOOL REFORM!!

"Duncan's biggest idea is market-oriented. He seeks to provide incentives for reform, offering billions of dollars to states and school systems willing to take the risks to solve problems that have VEXED GENERATIONS OF EDUCATORS."

http://www.educationnews.org/ednews_today/63949.html
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:35 AM
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1. She Was Interviewed At Length on NPR About This
Interesting interview.

As I keep saying - Obama is basically a doctrinaire, evidence-be-damned Reagan Republican.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:39 AM
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2. "evidence be damned Reagan," apparently. I'm going to
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 11:11 AM by Fire1
buy this book. Sounds like an interesting read.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:12 AM
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3. I just bought it last week.
What little I have read of it seems like it is a very good book.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 01:50 PM
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4. but but but - she still likes
charters, choice, accountability and merit pay?!?!
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 02:00 PM
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5. You need to read that link, again. She called PO's affinity for
charters, "puzzling."
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 03:06 PM
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6. eh? PO?
President Obama??

Actually . . .

"She says at the beginning of the book that she used to think "that certain managerial and structural changes--that is, choice, charters, merit pay, and accountability--would help to reform our schools." At the end of the book she still accepts efforts by people she admires to pursue choice, charters, merit pay and accountability, as long as they do it better than it has been done the last several years. The big change she suggests, a greater emphasis on a rich and well-planned curriculum at every school, fits into just about everyone's master plans." http://voices.washingtonpost.com/class-struggle/2010/03/post_2.html
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 03:22 PM
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7. Uh, I was referring to the link I posted in the OP. I'll read the
book myself to determine "what she says" and in what context before relying on the critique of Jay Mathews.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 03:45 PM
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8. in her words -
"I am not opposed to testing, but to the misuse of testing to punish people and close schools.

What did I abandon? The hope that choice and accountability could magically achieve the ends that I believe in. I am not opposed to choice—everyone should be free to choose another school if the school their child attends is not right for the child. And I do not oppose accountability, so long as it is used to help teachers, principals, and schools do a better job, not to punish them."

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/Bridging-Differences/2010/03/what_i_did_not_recant_or_aband.html
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 03:53 PM
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9. Like I said. I'll read her book and determine 'what she says' and
Edited on Sun Mar-14-10 03:55 PM by Fire1
in what context but this sounds closer to what I've read. Btw, this doesn't sound like a proponent of charters.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 03:58 PM
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10. possibly - but she's not completely OPPOSED to them, either. n/t
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:05 PM
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11. You clearly seem to be a proponent, not that it matters. It doesn't
appear that she DOES, either!
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:09 PM
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12. I'm a Democrat! I support CHOICE!! n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 04:14 PM
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radical noodle Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:01 PM
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14. The last paragraph in her book
"At the present time, public education is in peril. Efforts to reform public education are, ironically, diminishing its quality and endangering its very survival. We must turn our attention to improving the schools, infusing them with the substance of genuine learning and reviving the conditions that make learning possible."
Diane Ravitch, The Death and Life of the Great American School Syste
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:06 PM
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15. exactly.
I strongly support schools that DO those things!
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:39 PM
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16. I think we can all agree on that. n/t
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