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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 06:36 PM
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What Happens When a Charter School Fails? (Green Dot)
http://laprensa-sandiego.org/featured/what-happens-when-a-charter-school-fails/

GREAT article on why the free market approach to education tears the social fabric of communities apart.


What Happens When a Charter School Fails?

Fri, Dec 17, 2010

By Bertha Rodríguez Santos
New America Media

LOS ANGELES—California leads the nation in charter school growth this year, according to a report released last month by The Center for Education Reform.

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But far less attention has been paid to the closure rate of charter schools. According to the National Alliance for Public Charter Schools, over the past two academic years, 281 charter schools, or about 6 percent of the total open in 2008-09, closed nationwide. In California, there have been 150 closures since in 1992, when the state’s charter school law was enacted, and 72 in just the past three years.

What happens to kids when a charter school fails?

Thalía Saavedra, 17, has a sweet and mild demeanor, but she grows angry when discussing the unexpected closure of her school, Animo Justice Charter High School, earlier this year.

“They didn’t even give up the opportunity to share our opinions,” said Thalia.”They never gave us a voice, they never notified us in advance. They just told us, ‘It’s closing,’ and that’s it.”

<snip>

Instead, representatives from Green Dot, the L.A-based charter school network that opened Animo Justice in 2006, informed the students that the school was being shut down in June.

<snip>


Education as a Business.

“For them, our education is a business,” Thalia said. “They used grades to try to blame us, but in reality, they were the ones who failed.”

One teacher, who spoke on condition of anonymity, believes Green Dot and other charter school operators mislead students and parents about what they can accomplish. They promise families a high-quality education, but unlike parents in affluent areas like Beverly Hills, low-income parents lack the resources to supplement what the schools can provide, the teacher said. In the end, many charter schools are unable to meet the expectations they set.

“It’s exactly like a factory,” she said. If a school does not perform according to the established parameters, the charter school operator can close it, lay off the teachers, and kick out the students—leaving them in the lurch.



Madflordian has a great post up in GD about Green Dot and Parent Trigger in CA, so I thought people might be interested in this as a sidebar. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x37929


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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:06 PM
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1. Excuse me. One quote
"...but unlike parents in affluent areas like Beverly Hills, low-income parents lack the resources to supplement what the schools can provide..."

Now, I might be wrong, but would it be possible, maybe, perhaps, that this problem of low-income families not being able to provide resources that are readily available in higher-income families, that maybe, just maybe, perchance, this is what leads traditional public schools in lower-income districts to have lower learning achievement rates and, by the way, lower standardized test scores?

I know I didn't word that very gracefully, but I do so sincerely hope I got the point across.

SCHOOLS FAIL NOT BECAUSE OF TEACHERS OR (GASP!) UNIONS BUT BECAUSE OF POVERTY.


Maybe. Perhaps.


TG, TT
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:24 PM
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2. I grew very poor. My mother was very education aware. I did
Edited on Sun Dec-19-10 07:25 PM by virgogal
well.

Poverty has nothing to do with it,encouragement at home does.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:38 PM
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6. In the individual, yes, perhaps, but
in the aggregate, I don't think so.

And given the increasing socio-economic stratification of our society, I would venture to guess that "poor" a generation or two ago was not the same as "poor" today.

But that's just my opinion.




TG, TT
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virgogal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:50 PM
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8. I was poor in the thirties and forties. Believe me,I know poor. eom
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 03:58 AM
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18. income & poverty are the two factors that are linked most closely to test scores, grades,
Edited on Mon Dec-20-10 04:00 AM by Hannah Bell
graduation rates & general educational achievement -- at the city level, the state level, the national level, & internationally. and historically.

it has everything to do with it, & your mother is irrelevant to that FACT.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:43 PM
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7. Yes, there have been studies that correlate low SES to lower test scores.
Here's one report: http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Os2Xp3-Ht5AJ:www.econ.columbia.edu/currie/Papers/Early_Test_Scores.pdf+student+ses+test+scores&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShdaQ-o9EU4fNs39Mlrg4h_usLAyr-IGNLBbeXWUQzMYXC7K5nANqwGeElO-S-KUSj5Iv3GvbPqXnNcNk_fipyRxFgMuukrE1PaPQqWSNE3bgPHSGkd39Zdv6uz0cxWL7NtA_Lm&sig=AHIEtbQxZbrWUaGnuBhRBGN44fvi1rrt8A&pli=1


I'm sure there are more out there, too. I hate the whole idea of standardized tests and having schools being judged as "failing" or "succeeding" on those scores. I'm still making my way through a book Making The Grades by an author who worked for the testing industry. The sheer amount of flim-flam and dodgy psychometrics used around testing should be a national scandal. The tests are scored by private companies, who have targets they have to reach. If even half of what is in the book is true, there is a lot of fudging going on in scoring tests.

But yes, definitely poverty decreases the chances for students, teachers and unions have little to nothing to do with that.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 08:16 PM
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10. Testing isn't my area of expertise.
I think I read Nicholas LeMann(sp because it's in the other room or I'd get up and check)'s "The Big Test" and maybe something else, but that's about it.

But I would have to wonder if the ultimate objective of testing is not to IMPROVE learning but rather to removed certain elements of the population from the opportunity to learn. In other words, the tests are designed to prove what the social engineers want them to prove, rather than some objective reality. Thus, low test scores "prove" that low income districts should be sucked dry of all education-earmarked funds, the children left to rot, and the funds diverted to districts and/or individuals who will utilize them far more efficiently. :sarcasm: just in case.


TG, TT
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 07:49 AM
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20. Nor mine, I teach art so I'm not subjected to them. Yet.
Check out this link Tansy, unhappycamper just posted this article by the author of the book I'm reading: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x43293
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:30 PM
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3. I agree. Charter Schools may not be the best option in low income
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:35 PM
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4. And yet isn't that where a lot of them are?
I mean, they aren't usually offered as an alternative to successful schools, are they?

what percentage of "failing" -- meaning, low aggregate standardized test scores -- schools are in affluent neighborhoods and which ones are in low-income neighborhoods?

How many successful traditional public schools in affluent neighborhoods are being replaced with unsuccessful charter schools?


Do you see what I'm asking? How much of the problem of "failing" traditional public schools are charter schools even able to fix?



TG, TT
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:37 PM
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5. They are not regulated. Why should we be surprised that they're folding?
It's a glaring weakness in the design.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 08:00 PM
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9. I agree. Unfortunately, low income communties are the main target for them.
The plan is to destabilize the existing traditional system so much that it creates opportunities to "open the market", especially in low-income urban areas where funding is often on thin ice anyway. The author of this article currently works for public education enemy, NJ Gov. Christie.

http://educationnext.org/wave-of-the-future/



<snip>
A Transformed System

Charter advocates should strive to have every urban public school be a charter. That is, each school should have significant control over its curriculum, methods, budget, staff, and calendar. Each school should have a contract that spells out its mission and measurable objectives, including guaranteeing that all students achieve proficiency in basic skills. Each school should be held accountable by an approved public body.

“Charter” will no longer be seen as an adjective, a way to describe a type of school, but as a verb, an orderly and sensible process for developing, replicating, operating, overseeing, and closing schools. The system would be fluid, self-improving, and driven by parents and public authority, ensuring the system uses the best of market and government forces. Schools that couldn’t attract families would close, as would those that ran afoul of authorizers for academic, financial, or management failures. School start-ups, both the number and their characteristics, would reflect the needs of communities and the interests of students, but would also be tightly regulated to generate a high probability of school success.

So, while the government’s role would still be significant, it would no longer operate the city’s entire portfolio of public schools. Instead, it would take on a role similar to the FAA’s role in monitoring the airline industry or a health department’s monitoring of restaurants. Today, we take airline safety for granted and make our choices based on service, connections, and so on. Similarly, we know all restaurants have fire exits and meet food safety standards, so we choose based on our tastes and schedules. A well-regulated chartered school system could guarantee that all public schools were providing a safe, high-quality education and properly managing operations, thereby allowing families to choose a school based on other criteria.

The government’s substantial oversight role in guaranteeing safety and quality would differentiate a charter system from a universal voucher program. To many, a voucher system would undesirably blur the lines between church and state, add the profit motive to schooling, remove the “public” from K–12 education, and leave too much to the vicissitudes of the market. By contrast, in a chartered system, public schools would be nonreligious, managed by nonprofits, overseen by a public authority, and held to clear performance standards.

But a chartered system would capitalize on market forces largely absent from district systems, such as constant innovation, competition, and replication. Replication is arguably the most valuable. Chartering has not only created some of America’s finest schools, it has enabled their leaders to identify the characteristics that made those schools so remarkable and then develop systems for creating additional, equally successful schools. In addition to well-known charter management organizations like KIPP, Achievement First, and Uncommon Schools, new ones continue to emerge: Green Dot, High Tech High, Aspire, Noble Street, IDEA, and more. Major funders like the Charter School Growth Fund and NewSchools Venture Fund are helping other high-performing charters expand as well.

<snip>

Here, in short, is one roadmap for chartering’s way forward: First, commit to drastically increasing the charter market share in a few select communities until it is the dominant system and the district is reduced to a secondary provider. The target should be 75 percent. Second, choose the target communities wisely. Each should begin with a solid charter base (at least 5 percent market share), a policy environment that will enable growth (fair funding, nondistrict authorizers, and no legislated caps), and a favorable political environment (friendly elected officials and editorial boards, a positive experience with charters to date, and unorganized opposition). For example, in New York a concerted effort could be made to site in Albany or Buffalo a large percentage of the 100 new charters allowed under the raised cap. Other potentially fertile districts include Denver, Detroit, Kansas City, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, New Orleans, Oakland, and Washington, D.C.

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SoBronxSchool Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 08:58 PM
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11. Green Dot
I have had Bill Grundfest on my radio show several times and written about him in my blog. For those who do not know Bill, he is former writer for Mad About You amd closely aligned with the charter movement in LA. I like him, but he is sadly misinformed about education.

http://southbronxschool.blogspot.com/2010/10/broad-brush-of-bill-grundfest.html



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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:06 PM
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13. I am a fan of your blog!
Wow, great to see you here! I've read about Robert Skeels encounters with Bill Grundfest over Green Dot. http://dailycensored.com/2010/09/29/billy-the-big-bad-bully-for-corporate-charter-voucher-charlatans/ He seems like quite a polarizing character.
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SoBronxSchool Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:25 PM
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15. Grundfest
Wow! You knew of my blog before this? How?

Here are links to interviews I did with Grundfest on my radio show

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bronx-teacher/2010/09/15/the-mind-of-a-bronx-teacher

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bronx-teacher/2010/09/30/the-mind-of-a-bronx-teacher
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:46 PM
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16. I can't remember what article I read there first.
I'm pretty sure it was something Tilson-related, because not many people write about him and his sleazy machinations. I know I've read there since at least last summer. I've also read your hilarious articles on Stuart Rhoden, who infests the internet with his "reform" trolling.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 06:04 PM
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22. Welcome to DU!!
we need more like you!
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:08 PM
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14. Welcome to DU!
:hi:




Tansy Gold, all of whose heroes have been teachers -- and most of whose teachers have been heroes
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:14 PM
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12. K&R
thanks.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 11:30 PM
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17. Thank you Maryf!
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 06:55 AM
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19. You bet, Starry!
here's a good morning kick for you!
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21. Recommended. Just discovered some new blogs.
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