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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:48 AM
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I'm not going to defend Obama anymore.
I forgave Obama for the McClurkin incident and eventually became a steadfast supporter of his during the primaries. I've supported him for making what I saw as pragmatic decisions here on this board. I've contributed money to his campaign.

He's elected now. I even helped him swing my state, and I was so happy on election night I cried. Then I woke up the next morning and learned that my rights had been taken away further in four more states, but even then I didn't blame Obama.

I haven't complained about any of Obama's cabinet picks and I've defended him right and left on this board. No more.

It's clear that Barack Obama doesn't give a damn about my support. It is expendable on the altar of "dialogue" with his enemies. Several posters here on DU have helpfully explained that supporting civil rights for gay people like me would "kill" his presidency. I'm beginning to see that Obama agrees with them.

So, we've come to a parting of the ways. I'm still a Democrat and I certainly won't do anything to hurt Obama or his presidency. I hope it goes well, because our country has a lot of problems facing it right now and we certainly need good strong leadership. I hope that Obama turns out to be a good leader. I'm no longer going to help, though. He's cut me loose and now I'm cutting him loose.
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anndash Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:51 AM
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1. Giving legitmacy to this bigot
taints his entire inauguration - and I just stopped payment on the check I sent today as a donation. I forgave him the Lieberman betrayal kiss, but this is just too much. He should not be sharing the stage on this historic event with a fanatical bigot "invoking" some god. I'd rather see Rev. Wright.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:53 AM
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2. I'm so sorry you feel that way, I can't say I felt the same...
I believe I told you this before, but I never really forgave Obama for the McClurkin debacle, though I mellowed a little bit as the year went by. I even felt positive feelings towards him, like maybe he was different than all the other politicians, but my cynicism is far too strong to demolish so easily. Even on election night, when I was so impressed with his acceptance speech, I still had that little voice that said: "He's just another politician."

Frankly, I was hoping that voice was wrong. :(


:hug:
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Libertyfirst Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:08 AM
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3. Like you, I had the audacity to hope.
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 01:09 AM by Libertyfirst
I wish him well for my country's sake. But I'll skip the ceremony and put away my credit card.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:32 AM
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4. It's not as if this were actually going to lead to any dialogue
Warren has his point of view and he admits that he sees gay civil rights as a moral religious issue.

Is he going to change? Nope. he has a big business Church to keep happy $$$, he's playing the Xtian philanthropist now a days, he's got books to hustle to the rw faithful.

What dialogue could there be and what argument for gay civil rights that he hasn't heard? None.

Oh yes, this was political. Something will be gained but not by gays, it's at our expense what ever it is they are pushing for.

Too bad, because what's worse than knowing that they were fully aware of what the symbolism was in selecting this guy, it's even worse that they don't care how it seems to legitimize his bigotry and they don't give a damn.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:51 AM
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5. I voted for him "without illusions," as Howard Zinn recommended ..
one vote for Obama IF one was voting for Obama.

I'm glad that I did not donate to his campaign; I saved my money for the more local candidates.

I, like others, was willing to live, albeit reluctantly with his choices - but this takes the cake.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:53 AM
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6. I am as passionate as everyone here....
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 01:54 AM by MadMaddie
I am going to make the assumption that this choice is more than what it appears. Remember the Republicans are so arrogant and stupid that they don't know when to shut up. Obama has reached out with an Olive Branch to some of our sworn enemies (The Repuke Party) and Warren is one of them. Along with that Olive Branch is some rope......

Either the Repugs are going to step up to the plate and work on healing our country or as they almost always do, they show their ass and they show how un-American they really are. The more they preach the message of hatred and bigotry, the more the Warrens become the extreme right fringe.

Obama has proven to each and everyone of us that he is not stupid. This doesn't mean we can't be critical of him, but for many of you to write him off and he is not in office yet is startling to me.

Have you looked at his Cabinet picks? He has picked openly gay professionals to serve. We sure as hell didn't have any openly gay officials under the last regime for the past 8 years. We had two token Blacks, a Hispanic who was a shitty lawyer, a spokeswoman who can barely talk herself out of a bag...

This isn't about jumping on board and not questioning anything. This is a mere sand pebble on a beach....anyhooo...
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:07 AM
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7. You're operating on an old mindset, yardwork.
Don't feel bad, a lot of people here are: the idea that the country is split right down the middle, 50/50, no chance to sway any of the other side, and it's foolish to try. It's shown in your referring to Obama's "enemies," like everyone who isn't with him is against him.

Sure, we could try doing exactly what the Republicans have done the last 8 years. Cater to our side and our side only, tell everyone else to fuck themselves, and not give a crap. And then we would be rightly as despised as Bush is. Like it or not 99.99% of the public are NOT DUers. They want bridge-building and conciliation, not another 8 years of partisan warfare.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:34 PM
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8. Cater to our side? When did human rights become "our side?"
Rick Warren actively worked to ensure that I will have no rights, and Obama is giving him a platform. You see that as bridge-building. I see it as giving in to the bigots.

If you feel so strongly that this is a sign of change, what will you be doing to ensure that gay people have equal rights with everyone else? Because until I have the same rights as you, it's a little disingenuous to tell me that I'm "operating on an old mindset."
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:23 PM
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9. No, you're just deluded into thinking there's a "new" mindset.
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 04:23 PM by Harvey Korman
You've bought the marketing.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:34 PM
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10. I kind of agree. I've been taking his side for a long time; now, I'm going to stay out of it,
when he receives criticism and such. He obviously doesn't really care about GLBT people, or else they are a low priority on this list. That's the way it goes, so fine, I'll accommodate him by not supporting him automatically anymore.
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:35 PM
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11. That makes me sad, but I can't blame you or give you a strong argument against your
stance.

He did make the same idiotic mistake twice.

All I can say, with all my heart, is that I hope he proves to the GLBT that he deserves your trust. He's barely out of the starting gates.

He's no dummy. Maybe he's got a plan in mind.

After reading "Audacity of Hope," I know he believes in equal rights for everyone, including this community.

Please don't give up hope yet. I think he will come through. Just give him some time, please.
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Spryboy Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 05:08 PM
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12. One thing is clear to me...
Barrack Obama doesn't think anti-gay bigotry is "real" bigotry.


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