I can't take it much longer

Posted in GLBT

During the primary wars, I stuck it out here because I've been here awhile (it's almost a habit!) even though it was a toxic environment for people who didn't support Obama. I couldn't support him after he kicked off his hate tour of southern evangelical churches on our backs. He literally used the climate of hate and division fostered by the republicans over the past 30 years to kick off his campaign. The right wing has used us queers as their way to fire up their so-called base. Well, Obama stepped in and used them too. I didn't think I could forgive that, but I ended up voting for him, even though I vowed I wouldn't. I've never sat out an election in 20 years of voting. It just felt wrong. Boy howdy, do I feel stupid now.

Rick Warren is insult piled on top of injury. And the attitudes here on this supposedly liberal site are just more kicks while we are down.

Right on the heels of proposition 8 - which the wonderful christian, Rick Warren, was a very vocal proponent of. But religion is an acceptable vehicle for hate when wielded against us queers. If Rick Warren were preaching that god divided the continents and split the races among them, therefore segregation was just (something preachers did during the civil rights movement and people actually believed) he would be completely discredited. If he preached that slavery was AOK because it's biblical, he would be laughed out of public life. But because he preaches hate against us queers, it's perfectly acceptable - even to a lot of the folk here at DU.

Do you people not get how hurtful this is, or do you just not give a shit. Hell, some of you probably agree with him. But you know what? We're here and we're sure as shit not going anywhere. We're a natural part of the human race, even though Warren and his brethren think we're the devil's own.

Do people not get that people like Rick Warren are the ones who egg on their congregations to commit acts like the beating of the two brothers who were mistaken for gay and beaten (one of them to death) in the streets like they weren't even human beings?

Do people not get that we're in a fight for our very lives? When the murderers of LGBT folk can get away with murdering us by using the "gay panic" defense, Warren and his ilk are the very reason that defense is accepted. Because according to them, we are the worst sinners and we're out to molest children and we corrupt all of society.

I'm adding a comment I made in another thread...

It seems very odd to me that anyone cannot grasp the concept of what an insult this man is to the gay community and to women.

Forced birthing, at the cost of a woman's life-- and the fact he sees gays as the worst sinners and equates us to pedophiles and incest and thinks we should be "cured" -- I don't see how anyone can condone this man being given a platform at this historic event.

It's utter fucking bullshit.

We queers are killed in the streets and straights get away with the gay panic defense. In most of the country, it is still legal to discriminate against us in employment, housing, and even medical care. Men like this preach hate from the pulpit that directly leads to the assault and murder to LGBT people. Rick Warren and his ilk are responsible for the abortion clinic bombings... outright terrorism... in the 80's and 90's.

It's a fucking disgrace and all you people spouting on about how it's not important can kiss my ass.

I guess we gay folk and women are just too emotional, huh?

McPalin instead and the gay community would be so much better off. Sorry we let you down.

:thumbsdown:

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I can spell curse words just fine. Perhaps though, you could explain just what mistakes you thought I made during the primaries. I originally supported Kucinich wand switched to Obama when he pulled out. I could not support Hillary based upon her support for the war and getting people killed. Are you suggesting that I made the wrong choice in supporting Obama over Hillary? If so, I think it will take a lot more time to tell. I do not support all of Obama's choices so far but neither do I think I would have supported all of Hillary's choices if she were elected. Who did you vote for in the end (the Presidential election not hate primary)? If you voted for Obama, you are as equally invested as I am. If not, you are, no doubt, in need of help. So, in the end, we are the same. Like it or not.

How long will you give Obama to pull out of Iraq and close Guantanamo before you're disappointed?

Since you're a one-issue voter, I'll suggest that my thousand+ issues trumps your single-issue.

And no, we're not the same in the end. I'm a human being who recognizes the inherent value in other people.

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But you just proved him\her wrong.

but thanks for playing.

Or are you just trying to be mean?

But I'll explain the false choice for you:

You offered up a choice of "Obama, who may be flawed and McCain/Palin, who might be the worst nightmare for everyone who is a Democrat". That was the choice offered last November, and we all picked. More of us (Americans now) picked Obama than McCain. So that choice is now over. So to offer it up again as an excuse or apology for the now evident flaws (and I'm guessing here that you aren't in FAVOR of Rick Warren speaking at the inauguration) the previous choice is simply not logical. We cannot go back and remake that choice. Even if we wanted to (and I don't see anyone here thinking that THIS idea, if possible, is what they want) we can't. The real choice is to protest this decision and try to get as many people as POSSIBLE (yourself included) to register their protest with President-Elect Obama. I know, we are all suffering a form of "Stockholm Syndrome" and believe that such protests fall on deaf ears... as they have for the last 8 years... and for at least the last 20 out of 28 years. But I have SOME HOPE (ironic, no?) that President-Elect Obama will listen to such a protest and change his mind. Yes, it's possible for a President to RE-DECIDE something. I know, that's a hard concept to imagine, but it is possible. So, instead of the false choice of going back to the election and voting for someone else (especially someone who would have likely MADE THE SAME PICK for his inauguration, but without the feeling of betrayal by the good folks here) we should look to other choices. That is, if you think this is a bad decision. If you don't, well then... good luck.

I am trying NOT to talk down to you about this. But years of debate team experience are hard to put aside. (yeah, I'm a nerd... chess club president too).

I refuse to engage that poster further. And (s)he has already proven not to have read my actual post.

and don't answer their questions. Great way to gain support. You don't even knows my positions and yet you feel free to judge me.

The primaries are over. They've BEEN over for a while now.

You want us to impeach Obama before he has even taken office? What do you really expect us to do besides admitting we are not comfortable with some of his choice>

An expression of sympathy for those who feel hurt by this cruel act would be a good place to start.

An offer to help by sending in a real piece of mail to the transition office (well, at least an email to their web site) would be even better.

Obama is not perfect, no one is. But he is the 250 million dollar man. We can make him better, faster...

But only if he hears from us.

as lesser of. After the FISA vote, I wanted to stay home.
What really scared me about mcfailure was the fact that * and darth had halliburton build all those concentration camps. I suspect that McCain realised he would not live long and had some honor left and pitched the election as Palin would be Ms Hitler.
While I don't think under Obama we will end up there, I am still REALLY unhappy about Warren.
I have emailed the Obama camp on several occasions expressing displeasure.
I have long thought that OUR political system is in need revamping in a big and serious way.
Public campaign funding, reregulation of the banking system, the fed bank for instance needs to be wrested from the hands of JP Morgan-Chase et al. Restructure our laws to separated chuch and state and keep it that way, restructure FDA so they are overseeing pharma and big ag, de politicize the Justice Dept, impeach and convict B & C, impeach and removed every judge from liberty(fallwell) and regents universities (pat robertson). This is only a beginning.
Equality and fairness for all. The religious Dominionistas need to attend sensitivity or maybe perhaps reparation therapy with emphasis on the Red Letters in the bible.
I live by the Golden Rule. Why can't these people?
I don't have any more cheeks to slap, and I will retaliate. I have been known to draw back and slap or punch out those who have struck me in the past. I may be a bit feeble due to long years of illness, but I still have my cane!

"impeach and removed every judge from liberty(fallwell) and regents universities (pat robertson). This is only a beginning."

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:hug:

For GLBT, while we are down here under this bus, do you have a light? I want to take a bong hit and get ready to face another day.

And I have no problem with complaints to him about it. What I have a problem with is suggesting that Progressives at DU are somehow responsible or that choosing Hillary instead would make a difference.

At least I know where I stand with this Administration.

The question is, whether he will move us closer to our goals. I am still trying hard to give him the benefit of the doubt on that. And trying to get the GLBT community to acknowledge that we have to do that because we really had no other choice. The choice of war or glbt rights was not a choice nor was it a reality.

And * is still pResident. Any other truths, we need to acknowledge?

President-Elect Obama. And a bunch more who are expressing their disappointment in him with a great deal of vehemence and some blame for folks not directly responsible. Neither group is moving us forward in a positive way. However, for those (like me) who are extremely disappointed, a little sympathy and offers of help would go a very long way.

I have been out demonstrating against Prop 8. I am on your side and I am scratching my head about Warren. My only complaint was the suggestion that DUers are somehow responsible because we elected Obama. I just said we had no choice and those insulting us did the same. It is fair to complain about Warren. It is not fair to blame DUers who have been very supportive of GBLT causes for the Warren pick.

Seriously? No idea?

Hell, he could give Bill Clinton lessons on it.

Or not, since you obviously have no idea who I am or what I think.

and I replied with what I think he's trying to do.

I'm still scratching my head over it.

I mean, LGBT and allies forum.

For all the jackasses in GD and GD-P who will tel you to sit down, shut up and be glad it's not McCain in the WH.

For all the asshats who will say you are overreacting and being drama queens.

For all those who will tell you to suck it up and grow thicker skins.

I apologize (without their consent) for their boorish and ignorant behavior.

usual. :puke:

But you have nothing to apologize about, even though it's a very nice gesture. :pals: