How hard would it be to rescind 'no-fault' divorce?

I think that if we GLBTs want to prove that we're not out to destroy 'traditional' marriage, we should see what we can do to help strengthen those traditional marriages.

I say rescinding all 'no-fault' divorce laws would be a very good start.

Any other divorce should be incredibly difficult, costly, and embarrassing to the couple in public, with the exception of spousal/child abuse.

I think doing that would really help to strengthen those traditional marriages to the point that a few fags (that these people will never meet) can get married without the fear of their 'traditional' marriage falling apart.

and let us not forget to criminalize adultery since they are substantial causes of divorce as well?

I know I'd probably still be married to my drunken ex and he'd be shacked up with #4 rather than married to her, which is how things went in the bad old days when divorce was either illegal or nearly impossible.

Marriage sucks and I can't imagine why any sane person would want to do it, but then again, it's the only way to visit a partner in an ICU and claim a body after death.

I'd rather claim full civil rights for all of us, including a way to undo it on the cheap when everything falls apart.

As I saw it, the OP was not really advocating making divorce harder. The point I took away is that all these anti-gay types talk about "protecting marriage" and "tradition."

In "traditional marriage" the woman was property. In many cases, the husband could beat her and was entitled to any money or property she may earn or inherit. Also, in many cases, his adultery was forgiven, but hers was not.

Some when people talk about how marriage has been defined for 5,000 years they are full of hot air. When people talk about strengthening marriage one way is to make divorce harder.

Gays have been accused of trying to destroy 'traditional marriage' for over 10 years. Please tell me why laws stating that marriage is only between a man and a woman only go back a decade. Marriage was never 'defined' until the Fundies got their panties in a wad because some guys in San Francisco petitioned to get married.


From 1970 when no-fault divorce was introduced in California until 1996, divorce rates have risen four-fold from 4.3 million in 1970 to 18.3 million in 1996 (http://www.divorcereform.org/rates.html#anchor1223885).

No-Fault divorce is what's destroying traditional marriage, not gays.

I don't think gays are destroying traditional marriage. I think no-fault divorce contributes, but it is one of many factors. I think some people take the easy way out and don't really try to get through rough spots, and in that sense, it would be a good idea to make divorce harder.

On the other hand, some marriages are just plain bad. Is there any point in staying in them? The other "advantage" to no fault divorces is that it avoids messy court cases to "prove" infidelity or spousal cruelty. Sometimes it's just easier to get it as a no-fault divorce rather than drag through all that mud - especially when children are in the mix.

I think if we want to make marriage stronger, we need to honestly ook at why they fail. It is not because two men or two women want the right to live with the one they love. It's not really because divorce is too easy - divorce is a technicality - like pulling a brain dead person off of life support.

any ideas

But piss off enough of the GLBT community......

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