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Meeker Morgan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:33 AM
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OK. Equality is not the top issue right now. It's the economy. Right?
Is equality somehow inconsistent with fixing the economy?

Must we wait for the economy to be all completely perfect before equality?

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NOW tense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:35 AM
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1. Most people can chew gum and walk at the same time.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:41 AM
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2. Except, apparently, for elected Democratic leaders.
:eyes:
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NOW tense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:50 AM
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4. That is the problem with our
weak ass leadership. We have two of the most pathetic leaders in the House and Senate. My view is that the only reason we have one idea at a time is so people can get some face time on TV to talk about the pros and cons of what ever the issue of that cycle is.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:43 PM
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13. So, when did you serve in Congress?
Please, tell us what it's like. :shrug:
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:45 PM
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19. What relevance does that have?
Are you seriously suggesting that our elected representatives *shouldn't* have to do more than one thing at a time?
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:01 PM
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23. Sorry, but I gave up TV years ago.
You should try it. Really.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:13 PM
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26. Oh, and you tried SO hard, too!
Unfortunately, we haven't had television service in nearly ten years, and aren't interested in having it, period. If you want to be a true Witty Snarkmaster, you'll have to do much better than that. Really, it wasn't even mildly offensive. I honestly felt sorry for you.

In the meantime, I'm very sorry that you're so disappointed in Obama. Believe me, we all share your pain. But cheer up and have faith! Perhaps, with lots and lots of practice, he might be able to learn to multi-task, like most of our other Presidents have done. Don't lose hope! It's a long shot, but it could really happen!

:hi:
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 05:04 PM
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28. I have noticed that whenever I become inordinately impatient, I tend to lose my objectivity...
which on occasion has allowed me to become the temporarily willing
victim of my own unrealistic expectations.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:41 AM
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3. I can't!
But you're absolutely right.
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Nightflurry Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:51 AM
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5. Apparantly I can't both want a job and want a marriage.
I've been laid off and engaged to my partner. Which is more important to me? I don't know. Is it really that hard for those folks to realize I can care about both? Both are enormously important to me. The only difference is one is about basic human rights and the other has to do with economics. Me getting a job has to do with economic policy. Me getting married has to do with the government acknowledging I'm human.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:54 AM
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6. We can do many things at once
This was my reply to another thread, where the OP thought we should be discussing "current events" as found in the headlines, such as USA Today.:freak:

In regards to dealing with the big issues, the economy, health care, job loss, the GLBTQ community has all of those big issues to contend with, plus bigotry and injustice.

In fact, the problems are so enormous that our current problems will require the full strength and power of the presidency and the federal government, if there are even any solutions to be had.

In the meantime, a fight by the GLBT community for civil rights is not destructive of the new administration nor does it detract from solving other problems.

This is a legal fight and the gay rights movement is fighting it in the Courts and in legislatures.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:36 PM
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12. Right now best shot would be to find an ally in Congress who is willing to ...
slip GLBT rights into legislation that is related to the economic recovery.

My best guess is this would take a unified effort, and about three to six
months of hard behind the scenes work to move it forward.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:56 AM
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7. Biden: U.S. Economy in Danger of 'Absolutely Tanking'
Vice President-Elect Joe Biden said the U.S. economy is in danger of "absolutely tanking" and will need a second stimulus package in the $600-billion to $700-billion range.

"The economy is in much worse shape than we thought it was in," Biden told me during an exclusive interview -- his first since becoming vice president-elect-- to air this Sunday on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos."

"There is no short run other than keeping the economy from absolutely tanking. That's the only short run," Biden told me.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2008/12/biden-us-econom.html

People can walk and chew gum at the same time, but Presidents only have a certain amount of political capital. The question is how much will it take to keep the economy from falling off a cliff. Look at how the Republicans act. They won't save the auto industry because of the unions, they want the free market to work even though it would cause catastrophe.

So yes, it is a trade off and its all about priorities.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:31 PM
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11. How is inviting Rick Warren going to help the economy?
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:53 PM
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20. Oh, he'll pray for it!
Or sell some more of those stupid journals...or something.

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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:11 PM
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8. Right now, whether we like it or not, our broken economy is the like the house on fire
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:30 PM
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10. Gay people are burning up, too. And because of the discrimination against us
we have many fewer options. No marriages = no shared health insurance, no survivor's benefits, no opportunity to adopt children....
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:01 PM
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15. I know, I know.... but,
if I had to choose, I'd much rather be living with my wife without the benefits of marriage
rather than risk losing everything we own, and being forced to live in the street.

But that's just me. :hi:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:13 PM
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16. I agree to the extent that to fix it needs political capital, and other things have
to wait...what I don't get is why Obama would give up so much goodwill with this choice, and it's not just not progress, it's regression.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:43 PM
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17. I am at a total loss as to why Obama chose Warren...
Looked at it from every angle I can think of, and the only logical explanation

I still can't understand why his campaign choose to agree to a debate
knowing that he would be the moderator.

I can come up with is this is part of some sort of rightwing pacifacation
strat.

If so, he's taking a huge gamble, IMO.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 02:22 PM
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22. And the more this becomes a controversy, the more of Ricky's views
come out...he's not only homophobic, he's sexist and anti-semitic...dumb, dumb, dumb choice.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:29 PM
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9. All queers are affluent and totally unaffected by the economy, hadn't you heard?
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:45 PM
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14. Ironically, it doesn't cost anything to extend marriage rights to everyone.
It's the one thing that can be done without asking where the money for it is coming from.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:45 PM
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18. And... extending marriage rights would ENHANCE economic security...

... for millions of families all across America. A net gain.

:thumbsup:

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 02:18 PM
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21. LGBTs have no protection in the workplace
That's the economy!
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:10 PM
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24. Isn't it the Yes on 8 people who are creating the distraction? If they shut up and let people get
married--as the supreme court ruled--it wouldn't be an issue.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:12 PM
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25. All posts in GD that are not on the economy should be locked or moved.
Election threads go to their respective states
Smoking and obesity threads go to health
Pit bull threads go to "Crime" or "Pets" depending on the tone of the OP
Gun threads go to Guns.
Obama threads go to GD:P

All else goes to ECONOMY.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:25 PM
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27. then theres the mid term elections
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 04:33 PM by mitchtv
2010, can't forget about them, plus, there's people dieing. No freedom for you this year.
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