How do you feel about homosexuals?

I am a straight person. I consider myself, in fact, asexual, instead of hetero or homosexual. I've been watching this argument about Rick Warren, and I must admit that I know not one single homosexual person, and at first, I was like, "Just shut up about these issues; we've got more important work to do." During my entire lifespan (I'm 54), I've known maybe three homosexuals and only one as more than a mere acquaintance.

But, then, it struck me that I probably have known more than just three homosexuals in my entire lifetime. The reason that I don't THINK I know more than that is because I DON'T ASK PEOPLE DETAILS ABOUT THEIR SEX LIVES!

So, essentially, what these people, who are trying to deprive others of their rights, are doing is butting their big noses into other people's sex lives. They are minding other people's business.

Then it doesn't matter to me who you are sleeping with. I am still befuddled by the so called "homosexual lifestyle" statement because from what I can see, it's pretty much like mine. Go to work, pay bills, try and get by in life. Isn't that what we are all trying to do?

I would K&R it.

Sometimes I can be positively brilliant. But not normally. :P

If not, you are enacting it anyway :P

http://cronus.com/agenda

illness and back injury on the job, for which I was fired.
Because the owner found out I was gay, he felt that it was ok to fire me for that reason.
I have had attempted murder against me on the job as an electrician.
I was up to my elbows in a 480 volt 300 amp electric control panel for hvac in a hospital addition job and I did put a lock on the panel in the basement supplying what I was working on.
We all had our color coded padlocks and some phobe on the crew cut the lock off and turned it on.
It burned my fingernails off and I had severe burns up to my elbows.
I did take revenge when I came to after falling 9 feet to the concrete floor, I went to the basement and knocked the guys teeth out.
He was black listed, but the foreman would not call the police, I tried to report it but the pigs told me to f-- off or he would cuff me. That is not the only incident on the job, name calling etc vandalise my car too.
Yes we do eat. sleep, put our pants on one leg at a time, try to get the bills paid on time.
I wish the religious hatred of me would stop or at least get them the hell out of our government and other roles of authority.

i've known many homosexuals in my lifetime. many have been my close friends.

If people could form themselves, then every baby born would have to develop his own sense of being,, and the world would be in total confusion. Just like you can't get any taller or shorter, smarter or dumber you can't change the program in your head. I would not punish a person for being shorter or taller or smarter or anything else . You can't change anything to any great degree. We need compassion, understanding and magnanimity to accept everybody . At his time some people have a greater cross to bear because they are in the minority. And we know that being a minority is not a reason to suffer the majority. God Bless the world and everyone.

I don't like to place people in categories...unless they are assholes or Republican assholes. :)

and a republican. i've known her for 19 years and i still can't understand why she is a repub.

but she won't. we had some heated arguments during the election, but last week she e-mailed me and said she was listening to obama and was impressed.

BORN REPUBLICAN by Daniel Mendelsohn


The startling discovery that affiliation with the Republican
party is genetically determined was announced by scientists in
the current issue of the journal Nurture. Reports of the gene
that codes for political conservatism, discovered after a long
study of quintuplets in Orange County, Calif., has sent shock
waves through the medical, political, and golfing communities.

Psychologists and psychoanalysts have long believed that
Republicans' unnatural and frequently unconstitutional
tendencies result from unhealthy family life --- a remarkably
high percentage of Republicans had authoritative, domineering
fathers and emotionally distant mothers who didn't teach them
how to be kind and gentle. But biologists have long suspected
that conservatism is inherited. "After all," said one author of
the Nurture article, "it's quite common for a Republican to have
a brother or a sister who is a Republican."

The finding has been greeted with relief by parents and friends
of Republicans, who have tended to blame themselves for the
political views of otherwise lovable people --- their children,
friends, and unindicted co-conspirators.

One mother, a longtime Democrat, clasped her hands in ecstasy on
hearing of the findings. "I just knew it was genetic," she said,
seated beside her two sons, both avowed Republicans. "I just
knew that nobody would actually choose that lifestyle!" When
asked what the Republican life style was, she said, "Well, you
can just tell from watching TV, like at the convention in
Houston: the loud outfits, the flaming xenophobia, the
flamboyant demagogy --- you know."

Both sons said they had suspected their Republicanism from an
early age but did not confirm it until they were in college,
when they became convinced it wasn't just a phase they were
going through.

Despite the near-certainty of the medical community of
Republicanism's genetic origins, troubling issues remain. The
Nurture article offered no response to the suggestion that the
startlingly high incidence of Republicanism among siblings could
result from the fact that they share not only genes but also
psychological and emotional attitudes, being the products of the
same parents and family dynamics.

And it remains to be explained why so many avowed Democrats are
known to vote Republican occasionally --- or at least to
fantasize about doing so. Polls show that three out of five
Democrats admit to having had a Republican experience. In
well-adjusted people, however, this experimentation rarely
outlasts adolescence.

Surprisingly, some Republican activists hail the findings as a
step forward rather than as an invitation to more
conservophobia. They argue that since Republicans didn't
"choose" their unwholesome lifestyle any more than someone
"chooses" to have a ski-jump nose, they shouldn't be denied
civil rights to which normal people are entitled.

Other Republicans, recalling 19th-century scientific studies
that "proved" the mental inferiority of blacks, find the
frenzied search for the biological cause of Republicanism
pointless, if not downright sinister.

But for most real Americans, the discovery opens a window on a
brighter tomorrow. In a few years, gene therapy could eradicate
Republicanism altogether.

If conservatism is not the result of sheer orneriness (as many
suspect) but is something Republicans can't help and probably
don't even like, there's no reason why we shouldn't tolerate
Republicans in the military or even high elected office ---
provided they don't flaunt their political beliefs.


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Carry on, but just sayin' :)

I like the point of it.

The phobes really are butting their noses in where they don't belong. And if they minded their own business they couldn't be effective at what they do.

I like the point of it.

The phobes really are butting their noses in where they don't belong. And if they minded their own business they couldn't be effective at what they do.

but sometimes they can get a little tedious, saying the same thing over and over. :P

since the only thing that differentiates them from the cornucopia of humanity is their choice of sexual partners.

There are asshole gay people, and saint gay people, boring gay people, and interesting gay people, sweet gay people and nasty ones, conservative and liberal, religious and atheist.

It's more the fact that the gender of everyone that I would consider potential sexual partners is of the same gender as I am.

The choice is whether or not we let other people tell us what to do and how we should feel and why that is right or wrong. The other choice is whether we live openly with integrity and honor or hide because we've been shamed into silence.

Haven't seen her in forever, I'm excited!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

But, please understand that being lesbian, gay, or bisexual is about a lot more than our sex lives, just as being straight is about being more than your sex life. It's about romantic inclinations and cultural sensibilities and a host of other equally important things.

Romantic inclinations makes sense, but cultural sensibilities?

And what else ("a host of other equally important things")?

Excuse me, but I am just ignorant here. And, as for those who question why I put this in the GLBT forum, isn't this the place that you discuss such things?

We've had a number of people coming into the GLBT forum telling us how we should feel about things.

I've stayed out of the fray and out of the discussions. Like I said, I'm ignorant.

As mondojoe says downthread, post #18, knowing that somebody is gay doesn't tell you anything about their sex life. And as Chovexani says upthread, there's a lot more to it than just sex. We're "different" because the majority society says we're different. We didn't decide to be "different" or even necessarily feel different.

It's hard to explain. I'm just a person - all I have is my own perspective. I'm a woman who loves another woman. It's not just sex. I feel connected to her in a way that I never felt connected to anybody before. I fell in love with her and that's it.

Every gay person has their own unique set of memories and experiences and personality - just like everybody else. There is no "gay community." Other people create that idea - not us. The only thing I have in common with other gay people that is different from what I have in common with everybody else is that society considers me to be different and lumps me in with every other non-straight person. The truth is that I have very little in common with many gay people and a lot in common with many straight people. Just like everybody else.

Let me try another example. Think about your neighborhood. Do you have a lot in common with your neighbors? You probably have some things in common. You all could afford to buy or rent a house in that neighborhood. You're all living in the same town in the same part of the country. You may have quite a bit in common from a socio-economic point of view. However, you're also different in many ways. In fact, the people in your neighborhood are more of a community than the gay community, because we don't live in the same parts of the country, have the same socio-economic status, or anything else in common. The only thing we have in common is that the majority straight society thinks we're weird.

Plenty of gay people sleep with people of the opposite gender. Plenty don't and never would. (The same is true of straight people, by the way. Plenty of them have same-sex encounters but would never consider themselves to be gay - partly because of the legal and social stigma attached.) Gay people are celibate or promiscuous or loyal or sneak around on their partners or don't care much about sex in about the same proportions as straight people. It's just that the stereotypes are promoted more than the boring reality.

Lesbians, gay men, bi-sexual people, and transgendered people often have different experiences, so lumping us all together that way is overly simplistic as well. We have gender issues and class issues and ethnicity issues and political issues and philosophical issues just like everybody else. Again, the only reason we're lumped into one community is....because we're lumped into one community.

This is probably leaving you more puzzled than before! I didn't mean to do that.

While you make the VERY good point that gay people are all unique individuals who may have little in common, there is definitely a gay culture, perhaps instigated BECAUSE of that exclusion from mainstream society. One doesn't need to be a drag queen or a leather daddy to participate in this culture, but the tolerance of our various fetishes (sexual and otherwise) is much greater than would acceptable in the straight world. I find gay people to be more uninhibited about sex and sexual practices in general, no doubt because the defining characteristic of the way we make love (same gender) is considered taboo by many people. This sexual freedom seems to give rise to a more generally uninhibited view of life in general. I find gay people (again, generally) are more likely to embrace the unconventional, and have more of an appreciation for the outlandish, the bizzare, and the creative.

Of course, there are many gay people who cling more closely to what's conventional. But if the ONLY thing that bonds us is our exclusion from the rest of the world, well...that's a pretty strong fucking bond. What we ALL hold in common is that alienation from the rest of society, no matter how strongly it may impact us individually. None of us chose the fight we're in; we were drafted at birth, and we all share the same foxholes. I honestly consider ALL GLBT people my brothers and sisters (which is not to say that I get along with all my brothers and sisters ;) ). There's a very good reason why "We Are Family" is one of songs most closely associated with gay people.

So to all my brothes and sisters, and all our friends, allies, and well-wishers: a very Merry Christmas and/or the happiest holiday of your choosing!

As I finished wrapping presents early this morning, I thought about the fact that gay people are a community because the mainstream majority makes us a community. Their treatment of us radicalizes us and tends to help us identify with other outcasts.

I would like to see this radicalization go further. Transgendered people need more acceptance and understanding among gays and lesbians, as do bi people.

All the gender, ethnicity, class, and religious issues that plague straight people are issues among gay people - that's too bad. We could do better.

Ironically, as GLBTQ become more accepted, more GLBTQ individuals will become more mainstream and even conservative in their thinking. We already have way too many Log Cabin Republicans. There will be more.

That is what I'm most afraid of as we continue our fight toward equality. So many of us believe that in order to be accepted by straight society, we must become like them. I believe that we must be accepted for WHO WE ARE NOW, not necessarily what straight people are comfortable embracing. We should not be forced to change to get what we deserve as human beings.

Not any more!
Never again.

8 years of Bush cured him!....(of the log-cabin thing...not the other issue)

Now my friend is a HUGE enthusiastic , vocal, phone-banking, check-writing Obama supporter.

I think that people who would deprive gay people of their rights are concerned about something that is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS: what happens in your bedroom.

to a lot of straight men, apparently. I based that supposition on the popularity of female-on-female sex acts in straight porn and on the commonly expressed desire of straight men to have threesomes with two women.

So apparently women having sex with women is fine as long as it is done for the amusement of straight men, but as soon as two women actually fall in love and want to make love with one another exclusively, in the privacy of our own bedrooms, it becomes an "abomination" and hysteria ensues.

(like enjoying show tunes?) but the GLBT community cuts across all sorts of cultural boundaries, and I've learned from being around so many diverse gay and lesbian people that we come in all colors, shapes and forms.

Do I get kicked out of the club?

:hide:

:rofl:

Think about all the things that make cultures unique. Language, customs, ways of dress, courtship rituals...while we share a lot in common with the straight world to varying degrees, we also have our own distinct ways of doing things. This isn't to say we're monolithic (some LGBT people don't identify with queer culture at all, and that's okay), but enough of us are different to the straight mainstream that it's a whole other world.

Courtship rituals are maybe inherently different for the LGBT community and our youths are clearly different. These both directly relate to the fact that we are attracted to members of the same sex.

However, "language, customs, ways of dress" are not (anymore) the direct result of being gay. Therefore, I do not believe it is right to associate these things with being gay, rather than just being in a certain "scene."

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you should disconnect "queer culture" from being attracted to the same sex. It is not "homophobic" to oppose "queer culture," just as it is not racist to oppose certain elements of hip-hop culture (such as, say, REAL homophobia).

Oh, you mean collectively? I dunno. Pretty much how I think of "people".

If people could form themselves, then every baby born would have to develop his own sense of being,, and the world would be in total confusion. Just like you can't get any taller or shorter, smarter or dumber you can't change the program in your head. I would not punish a person for being shorter or taller or smarter or anything else . You can't change anything to any great degree. We need compassion, understanding and magnanimity to accept everybody . At his time some people have a greater cross to bear because they are in the minority. And we know that being a minority is not a reason to suffer the majority. God Bless the world and everyone.
Callchet

:hi:

If they kept their nose out of our bedrooms, and out of our lives, then they couldn't do what they do. It's only because they obscess about our lives that they are effective at blocking our rights and harassing us so thoroughly. :(

And I might still help anyone without one.

I don't have a close gay friend right now, but I really, really wish I did. Is that weird? I could be such a good pal, and I'd have his/her back.

We have them over for holidays, such as this Xmas, they attend our kids' birthday parties, they help us whenever we are in a jam, and they babysit our kids. They are family and we love them very much. Our kids scream their names whenever they come over and shower them with affection.

I'm gay.

You know nothing about my sex life, or if I even have one.

But your conclusion is correct.

A gay couple lives across the street from me, and about this time of the year, I knocked on their door. We had already been friendly so it wasn't exactly a cold call. I said look at this ... it is an avalanch and it easily takes snow off the roof. Would you like me to take the snow off yours? It should only take about a half an hour, and I will need your help getting it off the driveway and sidewalk.

Ben said ... I really do appreciate your kindness, making us feel welcome in the neighborhood and all, but you may not know that we are actually a gay couple. There was a short silent moment as we both checked out each others expression and I said ... well, I like to be spanked by women. What does that have to do with the snow on your roof?

Can’t stand some of them.

Pretty damn fond of the one I’ve been going to sleep with every night for the last 19 years.

Maybe you have found the silver lining in the Prick Warren controversy Th1onein?

"Two Spirit" people.They carry the male and female spirits in their bodies I think that is a pretty neat approach!!

and dislike the asshole ones, just like with straight people. my oldest sister is a lesbian, and has lived with the same woman 30 years. wonderfully sweet people

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Homosexuals/28799052122?ref=ts

(By the way, I'm glad you kind of get it, at least.)

Sorry I don't "get" it. Maybe I never will.

At least I try.

LOL

:thumbsup:

one of the responses to that facebook page you link to cracks me up.
this:

Some people need to take the advice of what Chef once said: "Children there's a huge difference between Gay People and Mr. Garrison!"

a woman and that we are raising a child, and then you would assume that we are gay. You have no right to know whether or not we have sex, that's completely irrelevant, or what kind of sex, also completely irrelevant.

You didn't know more than three homosexuals in your life because all the others were in the closet because of bigotry against them. It has nothing to do with asking about sex lives. It has to do with hatred and ignorance, and gay people fearing others knowing that they are gay, and what repercussions that may have, be it rejection by friends, or losing a job, or feeling judged. So many gay people still live closeted lives because of all of this. And most of them have just as boring "sex lives" as any straight person you know.

Do you know straight people who have wives (or husbands) and children? Do you think about or ever discuss their sex lives with them? Then why even consider it with gay people?

Why should WHO you have sex with, as long as you are consenting adults, have a thing to do with anything else?

"The reason that I don't THINK I know more than that is because I DON'T ASK PEOPLE DETAILS ABOUT THEIR SEX LIVES! "

It's not because you "DON'T ASK PEOPLE DETAILS ABOUT THEIR SEX LIVES" it's because you "DON'T ASK PEOPLE DETAILS ABOUT THEIR LIVES."

You don't have to know details about their sex lives to know that people are gay. You simply have to know about their lives.

I understand what you are saying, and you are right about one thing: you don't always have to have details about people's sex lives to know that someone is gay. HOWEVER, that is exactly what homophobes are interested in; that is the ONLY thing that they are interested in, in fact.

When you ask people if they are gay, you are, essentially, asking them about their sex lives, don't you think?

Who does that? I'm suggesting that you would find out if someone is gay, if you asked something like "Hey, I would love for you and any significant other you have to come over for dinner sometime..." or "Do you have a partner, or any children?" The same way you find out if straight people have a wife or husband. It has ZERO to do with sex.

I do understand your point that homophobes seem more interested in our sex lives than they should... more interested in our sex lives than they are interested in their own or other straight people. But my point remains that you can know someone is gay without knowing ANYTHING about their sex lives.

I actually HAVE asked people, outright, if they are gay. I don't see a problem with it.

you do that. You're just asking them if they're gay. You keep saying that if you ask someone if they are gay you are asking about their sex lives. That's ridiculous. If you ask if someone is married, are you asking about their sex lives?

You said:

"When you ask people if they are gay, you are, essentially, asking them about their sex lives, don't you think?"

And I say, No, you are NOT essentially asking them about their sex lives, you are asking them about themselves, their lives. Why must sex be any part of your curiosity of them, anymore than it would be part of your curiosity about any straight people you know?

I WAS asking people about their sex lives, when I asked them if they were gay. I see no problem with MY asking, because they are my friends, and we are close enough so that I felt comfortable asking, and they felt comfortable answering.

I don't think the Cons would have a problem with anything else that is considered (by you, apparently) "gay," EXCEPT what gays do in the privacy of their bedrooms, which is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.

That's just weird to me. I would never ask my neighbors about their sex lives. I would never ask people at work about their sex lives. I would never ask anyone straight or gay about their sex lives. I'm stunned that you consider "Are you gay?" to be a question about a person's sex life. That's just fucking weird.

Could it possibly be that? These are my FRIENDS. Do you not get that? We talk about a lot of things, sex being one of them.

I don't ask NEIGHBORS, if I don't know them, or I am not curious. I don't ask people who are just ACQUAINTANCES. I certainly don't ask people because I want to condemn them because they are not turned on by the same things, people, etc., that turn me on.

Whatever is "weird" to you is "weird" to you. If you can't see that asking someone if they are gay is asking, first and foremost, about their sex life, then you truly have lost some basic understanding of communication.

Quite frankly, I think that you are just trying to find fault here. Don't bother talking to me anymore. This is getting quite silly and boring. You are CHOOSING to find fault where there is none.

people about their sex lives. I answered that you can know people are gay without knowing anything about their sex lives, that being gay has just as little to do with sex as being straight does. And now you answer that you ask all your friends about their sex lives, but you don't ask acquaintances or neighbors.

So, I guess I'm still asking you why you think you would need to ask someone about their sex lives to know their gay or not? I've never asked anyone (other than very close friends in specific situations) about their sex lives, yet I know the sexual orientation of everyone I know. And when I do ask someone if they are gay, I am NOT asking about their sex life.

I never said that I ask ALL of my friends about their sex lives. But you are apparently reading into things just what you want to read into them. Hope it feels good to ya!

The entire point of the original post was that Republicans are not interested in anything but the sex lives of those they would screw out of their rights. Unless you're an idiot, you would know that. Instead you choose to find offense where none is intended.

You can ask me anything you want, but if you think I'm going to answer someone with an attitude like yours, then you need to think again.

their sex lives. You say it is. Period. We disagree. Completely.

And no, I'm not an idiot. I'm just reading what YOU wrote:



Where in there did you say that you don't ask all your friends about sex? From that it sounds like you DO ask all your friends about sex. You don't ask neighbors or acquaintances, but you do ask friends.

It's completely beside the point anyway. The point is in your OP which states that you don't know more gay people because you don't ask people about the details of their sex lives. And I'll say ONE MORE TIME, that you don't have to ask or know ANYTHING about someone's sex life to know that they are gay.

When *I* ask, that's what I'm trying to find out, DESPITE what YOU think I'm asking about. AND, I do think that when Rethugs ask that question, that's what THEY'RE asking about as well.

If you can't read what I wrote, I can't help you out here, honey. There are classes that you can take, to increase your reading comprehension. Until then, I think it's pretty OBVIOUS that you are twisting my words and reading into them things that YOU need to hear.

Read my OP again. You are missing the entire point. Maybe because you WISH to miss it, but nevertheless, you ARE missing the point of the post. (Notice how everyone BUT YOU has moved on here? Duh, could that be a CLUE that maybe you're focusing on the wrong thing, like duh, for instance, NOT THE POINT of the OP?)

And, I'll say it AGAIN: SOME PEOPLE (like me, for instance) have to ask people if they are gay to know if they are gay. Got that? And, yeah, when I ask them that, I AM asking about their sexual orientation.

Why are you trying to find that out? I don't understand that AT ALL. Try to stop condescending for a minute and understand what I, as a gay person, am trying to explain to you. You are saying that when you ask if someone is gay, you are asking about their sex lives, and you think that is the intent of anyone asking that question. I am saying that you can know someone is gay WITHOUT knowing ANYTHING about their sex lives.

Regarding your last paragraph, sure you can ask if someone is gay to know if they are gay, fine. But you don't have to know anything about THEIR SEX LIVES to know if they are gay, and you certainly don't get that information from them if they answer your question with a "Yes" or "No."

You asked this question in a GAY forum and now you berate me for the way I, as a gay person, am answering it. In the end, if you or any other stranger asked me if I'm gay I would probably answer "Why do you ask?"

Is that what you're trying to tell me? Because that's what it sounds like.

Listen, maybe it's just too simple for you, but watch how this goes:

Gay = euphemism for homosexual

Homosexual = A person who has an emotional and physical attraction to the same sex.

Therefore, when you ask if a person is gay, you are asking if that person is homosexual,

and when you are asking if a person is homosexual,

you are asking if that person has an emotional and physical attraction to people of the same sex!

So....you ARE asking about their sexual attraction and who they are attracted to sexually! Wow! Is that really that difficult for you?

To follow out YOUR argument, homosexuality means nothing about someone's sexuality at all.

Clearly, your argument is faulty. There is no logic to it at all.

I have had enough of the conversation however. I really don't need to be condescended to and insulted by some straight guy in a gay forum. I used to get enough of that from straight guys in gay bars. I'll never understand what it is with you straight people who have to reduce all gay people to sex. It's sickening really.

You said: "You asked this question in a GAY forum and now you berate me for the way I, as a gay person, am answering it. In the end, if you or any other stranger asked me if I'm gay I would probably answer "Why do you ask?""

If that's not representing yourself as representative of every gay person, I don't know what is.

No one, including myself, is reducing you to sex. You choose to take my original comment that way, when it wasn't even the main point of the comment. It's GOOD that you are tired of this conversation, because you have reduced it to a first grader level.

You reduced being gay to sex in nearly every post you've made in this thread. Don't pretend you haven't.

I've also repeatedly ignored your puerile attempts to patronize me. And you continue to do it. You make yourself look pretty weak that way. If you cannot argue a point without resorting to insults the way you have, then you have no argument.

You continue to say that asking someone if they are gay is tantamount to asking about their sex lives. And I continue to argue that it is not.

WHY you are so insistent on taking offense, I cannot imagine. Everyone else here got my drift in the original post. Doesn't it strike you as a bit strange that you are the only one still batting at this ball?

No one, including myself, reduced being gay to sex. Not at all. What I said, in my original post, was that homophobes reduce it to that. You don't understand that? I HAVE said it about five times already.

And, yeah, you are acting as if you represent the entire gay population, kiddo.

Real cute. Here's your OP for you again, little straight boy:

"The reason that I don't THINK I know more than that is because I DON'T ASK PEOPLE DETAILS ABOUT THEIR SEX LIVES!"

YOU reduced it to our sex lives. Those are YOUR words.

But you've shown your real agenda to me now anyway... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8036794&mesg_id=8038888

Ta ta. You can go ahead and have the last circular word on this if you like. I won't be responding to you again.

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Your style here has a certain trollish aspect.

pretty much exemplify my feelings and experiences as well.
So. That aint tyhe whole big gay world, but thats 2 of us.

From my veiw point as a lesbian, her answers were generous and well thought out. If I had been responding to your OP, I might have written the same.
Only I didnt have the time or patience to walk you through it. I'm not as nice a person as PelosiFan.

Did you come here to get your questions answered , or did you come here to prove some sort of a point?
If you came for answers, you'll get none better than Pelosifan gave you. I would think thankyou would be in order, not the hostility you're showing.

Merry christmas!:hi:

I don't eat chicken.

Thanks for the post

They need to just keep their sex lives to themselves.

wanna touch my butt...?

Anyone's sexual preference, race, religion or colour are of no consequence to me whatsoever.

There are only two types of people in this world - nice people and not nice people and that's what decides whether or not we are friends.

or, how about Dobson, or better yet ..... phred phelps. I wonder if he takes that stupid cowboy hat off when he is goin at it.

What gets me is that republicans always want to deregulate everything, except when it comes to women's medical rights and LGBT relationships, which they want to regulate. Democrats, on the other hand, want sensible regulation and oversight in the business world, and what to deregulate women's medical rights and LGBT relationships. Now we see what deregulating business and lack of oversight has done to the economy. Hmmmm.

But PustserRick has other ideas.

"Republicans want to privatize everything but privacy."

Oh, and welcome to DU. :toast:

A lot...I would marry my partner hottie.

Oh wait I can't....damn.

I was never afraid of anyone who had a different orientation, in part for a very silly reason: I was very into "The Rocky Horror Picture Show," and I had amazing parents who just didn't believe in discriminating against anyone.

Then once I went to college, and began to experience the real world, so many people who influenced me for the better were gay or lesbian, and three of them actually changed my life for the better.

It makes my eyes watery to think about it.

My partner and I generally get threats in parking lots, in grocery stores, in restaurants, and in department stores. When we're shopping for groceries or tampons or trying to find a bathroom in a restaurant--basically, when sex is pretty much the last thing on our minds. You relate every aspect of our relationships to sex:

If we're picking up meds for our sick partner at the pharmacy--you see gay porn.
If we're at a restaurant celebrating our 10th anniversary--you see porn.
If we're female and feminine--you stop and ask if you can have sex with us while we're on our way to the post office.
If we're female and masculine--you make sure to let us know that our girlfriend would be more satisfied if she were fucking a man.
If we're gay men--you think of anal sex, even if we're sobbing at our grandmother's funeral.
If we're transgendered--you think we're hookers.

It just never ends. We're just people. We just want to shop, run errands, and go to work in peace. We don't think about sex anymore than you do. We're not more or less sexually active than straight people. Our issues are not just "our sex lives." We're just people.

The sexual questions that complete strangers ask me when I'm in my driveway (I've had 3 people come onto my property to ask 'if they can join' in the past year)...

All the threads about "anal sex" and "but lesbians are HOT"...

All the comments about how "unnatural" my relationship is...

The way people look at us in restaurants on dates...

The way some parents shield the eyes of their kids when my partner and I are in public just living life normally...

It's just so depressing.

It's always there as an undercurrent... how others are looking at you, what they are thinking. My partner and I and our child are lucky to live in a progressive town in a progressive school district, where many fellow parents reach out to us inclusively, but there are still the others who look at us in those familiar creepy ways. WTF really... why do straight people obsess about what gay people do sexually? I don't fucking get it. I certainly don't obsess about anyone else's sex lives.

#81. Maybe some people *are* wired differently, and view the world in the frame of who is having sex with whom, and who will have sex with me? It's really enlightening. Meanwhile -

If we're picking up meds for our sick partner at the pharmacy--you see gay porn.
If we're at a restaurant celebrating our 10th anniversary--you see porn.
If we're female and feminine--you stop and ask if you can have sex with us while we're on our way to the post office.
If we're female and masculine--you make sure to let us know that our girlfriend would be more satisfied if she were fucking a man.
If we're gay men--you think of anal sex, even if we're sobbing at our grandmother's funeral.
If we're transgendered--you think we're hookers.


Ain't. It. The. Truth.

So I don't. Problem solved.

I don't vote to take away the rights of ugly straight people, or old straight people, or obese straight people, just because the thought of them doin' it gets me a bit nauseous. I don't stand on streetcorners and shout about how God hates ugly straight people. I just relate to them as people and don't think about their sex lives.

Why the hell some straight people are totally fucking obsessed with the idea of gay men going at it and how gross that is to them, to the point that they can't relate to them as people because they're too busy obsessing on how icked out they are by what they think of their sex lives, totally eludes me. Honestly, in a lot of cases I think it verges on some kind of mental illness.

Sex is just as much and as little a part of gay relationships as it is straight relationships.

With respect to sexuality there are two kinds of people in this world - Women to whom I am sexually attracted, and everyone else. All homosexuals fall into the "everyone else" category.

One need not inquire about the sexual details in order to make the assumption that a woman talking about her husband is straight (probably).

Gay people usually carefully use gender neutral pronouns, or other ambiguous terms when referring to their SO's. (for example)

Maybe gay people just don't feel comfortable around you, so they don't open up enough to show their true selves to you. Your loss.

"Hi, I'm bludawg12 nice to meet you!" :-)

"Oh, hello, I'm your neighbor are you gay? Tell me about your sex life." :evilgrin:

"Why sure, Jim, sit right down. I never thought you'd ask!" ========>>>> <<<<BLAM!!!>>> :nuke::nuke:

and I don't mean the cat!

Tarsier-- crabby litttle beady eyes.<evilgrin> :rofl:

Having said that, on a concious level it does not bother me if someone is gay. I don't think it is immoral or sinful or anything like that. On a gut level seeing affection between males gives me a small negative reaction. For some reason, I have no such reaction to female homosexuality. I also tend to have a somewhat traditional preconception about what manliness is. Nevertheless, I try to make what I know rule over my gut reations.

Even better than sable.:evilgin: