Homophobia and Antisemitism often go hand-in-hand.

Dr. Gary Cass, of the “turn your back on the gay marching band during the inauguration and don’t let kids see the gays” fame, that same Dr. Cass.

Underneath it all, his love for Catholics and Jews shines through.

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After all, they seem to want Hell on Earth. Could you imagine spending eternity with them? Who would call THAT, "Heaven?"

for those who want to know.

we were the things that go bump in the night.

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It's unfair to call him anti-semitic. Just because someone has anti-semitic beliefs and acts on them doesn't mean that he's anti-semitic.

Really enlightening place we've got here, lately.

and those terrible Jews sending all those good Xtians to the death camps, oh wait...Yad Vashem...oh wait, the Holocaust Memorial is in Israel??? :sarcasm:




The Hall of Names containing Pages of Testimony commemorating the 6 million Jews who perished in the Holocaust.

If you read Skinner's history of DU, the day it was created (inauguration day 2001) Skinner and the other founding admin returned from protesting to find the place hopping with trolls. Founding a website by holding up a banner with its new url address while protesting an illegally-installed president has a way of getting attention.

DU has always had to fight off trolls from hate groups - some of them are fairly clever at concealing themselves, too.

they are progressives, it must be like dancing on the head of a needle with lucifer as your partner.

Someone needs to tell this guy that nobody's been an Israeli for more than 60 years, much less 2,000. Might also want to have someone point out there's lots of Jews who could care less what the Talmud says about anything.

But yes, charming sorts. I wouldn't say homophobia and antisemitism are linked in the way homophobia and sexism are, but very likely if you already think one is okay, the other one's not going to be a moral burden either.

"For two thousand years Israeli Jews have renounced Christ and Christians. Jewish teachers have belittled Christ and Christians in the most strident terms in their sacred writings, the Talmud. I do not see these same Jews demanding anti-Christian texts be removed from their Talmud."

They are linked politically and historically, and for some on the right, even today, ideologically, just recall the Third Reich and the yellow and pink arm bands.

Also, "America's Pastor Ricky" seems to enjoy dwelling on the awesome power of those great big rallies.

"In 1939, in a stadium much like this, in Munich Germany...” Rick Warren

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"these armbands were the only thing that kept security at Auschwitz"-Chulanowa

No, I'd say it was hunger, starvation, armed guards with sten guns and German shepherd guard dogs, barbed wire and camp guard towers that kept the security.

"In fact, it could be that these armbands were the only thing that kept security at Auschwitz, as the prisoners identified with their "groups" rather than banding together against the guards... even to the point of murders." -Chulanowa

The prisoners identified with these groups and so therefore, they did not turn against the guards?

What revisionist bullshit is that from?

Women, children, the elderly and the sick failed to turn against the guards?

Because of arm bands and group identification? :rofl:



“How fucking sick must that have been, you're all prisoners in a death camp and you're going to kill a guy for having a different color armband...” - Chulanowa

Yes, that’s the true moral of the horror of the death camps. Not the slaughter of civilians by trained, heavily armed military, it was the capos? :sarcasm:

Not the torture, deprivation and starvation, unethical experiments, and being worked to death from calorie deficiency, or simply sent to a gas chamber upon arrival, no, according to Chulanowa history, it was the capo’s who killed 6 million Jews?

I know where you are going with this, it’s a slightly different twist on holocaust denial.

Then, your non sequitur as if there was actually a point to be made here and to pretend you had some other point, besides blaming the victims of the holocaust.

“I'm not saying they don't often come hand in hand. Just that Homophobia is more linked to sexism.” - Chulanowa

Thank you for the exposure, you are the first holocaust denier I have ever met.

I smell sulfur.



Crematorium II can be seen in the back of this photograph.
Many of the Jews of this photograph will end up there after the quick selection to be killed.

Sorry if it came off that way. I was in no way "blaming" the prisoners - just noting that it was one more piece of tragedy on the mountain of it that was already there. That, even at Auschwitz, among the other prisoners, even with all of you knowing what would happen, you did not want to be the guy wearing the pink armband. The Germans did consider this sort of thing an added layer of security. Turning people into color-coded symbols had worked to segregate people outside the camps, so the Nazis put the concept to work in the camps, too. Of course the people at Auschwitz wouldn't have been able to overthrow the guards - but the thought still worried those guards, thus, the use of that armband system.

This is in no way a denial, or blaming the prisoners, much less exonerating the Nazis. You might want to save the holocaust lesson for someone who's actally trying to do one of those three. Again, sorry if it came off that way.

We have heard dehumanization of gay Americans for sometime in contemporary America, especially the last eight years, now, with this CDL utterance about Jews it is coming around full circle.

The danger is full blown rightwing political scape goating in modern times, factionalism, and on-going artificial division of human beings framed by a dangerous "us" and "them" mentality.

I just heard PE Obama speak in Baltimore today, he is aware of this tactic and wants to end it.

Shrub and KKKarlrove, on the other hand, played into this mentality and fear mongering and hate baiting. As did, IMHO, Palin.

When I hear people with a following like Warren, dehumanize gays and equate same sex marriage to bestiality, when I read about Warren alluding to the power of the masses and their devotion to a cause, like his dreamy reference to Berlin 1934 Hitler Jungen rallies, when I read people like this Dr. Gary Cass make dehumanizing statements about the presence of a gay marching band at the inaugural and then learn that he has also made libelous statements about Jews “attacking” Christians in the Talmud and for 2,000 years, I can't help but recall a similarly craven political point of view in history, specifically during the Third Reich and I know how that turned out historically.

I am glad we both agree that the victims of the holocaust were no more able to overthrow the camp guards, than, say the militarily trained POW's were. Which means that never being in such a position, for anyone, is preferable to trying to get out of such a position by anyone. Protecting from that type of horror requires vigilance.

If you recall there was talk of internment of gays during the early days of HIV. You may or may not have read a recent thread here on DU, that the husband of a current public elected official in Oklahoma, a Reverend Kern, has recently advocated ---internment of gay people. Far fetched and extreme? Yes, but also true and a very real fact in contemporary USA. That is shocking and unAmerican.

I can only write off so many right wing hate mongers as, "Oh that's just a crack pot." Or, "Oh, that's just a 2 minute prayer." When I add these people up, tail to tail, they do amount to some percentage, no matter how small, of a politically active group that is dangerous and again, unAmerican and bears having the harsh light of truth shined on them.

Here is something I was not aware of and it speaks to the pernicious mentality that allows people to dehumanize others, even after the camps were liberated some gay men remained in prison, for being gay.

>>While the number of homosexuals in concentration camps is hard to estimate, Richard Plant gives a rough estimate of the number of men convicted for homosexuality "between 1933 to 1944 at between 50,000 and 63,000." <1>

After the camps were liberated at the end of the Second World War, many of the pink triangle prisoners were often simply re-imprisoned by the Allied-established Federal Republic of Germany. An openly gay man named Heinz Dörmer, for instance, served 20 years total, first in a Nazi concentration camp and then in the jails of the new Republic. In fact, the Nazi amendments to Paragraph 175, which turned homosexuality from a minor offence into a felony, remained intact after the war for a further 24 years.<<

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle

Without that, who knows what kind of chaos could have broken out across Europe.

Thank heavans, as you point out, chaos did not break out across Europe, only the slaughter of the second wolrd war, which, as Bizarro World History tells us - was bloodless. :eyes:

Funny, three thousand bombs dropped on Nazi headquarters by the allies, at Obersalzburg, did however, reduce it to very orderly rubble.

After all, he doesn't think that women are sinners just by virtue of the fact that they are female. He thinks they are less than men, but he doesn't think that they are damned just because of who they are. He DOES however, think that about homosexuals and Jews.

as they are, as the human beings that they are unless: homosexuals deny who they are and Jews deny who they are.

I can't say I am all that surprised.

from power. Hopefully the Reich wing is at the nadir of their power and these cultural wars are their last desperate gasp.

http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/intro.html