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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:24 PM
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Court: Christian school can expel lesbian students
Court: Christian school can expel lesbian students


(Riverside, California) A California appeals court has ruled that a Christian high school can expel students because of an alleged lesbian relationship.

The 4th District Court of Appeal in Riverside on Monday upheld California Lutheran High School’s right as a private, religious organization to exclude students based on sexual orientation.

Two girls sued claiming they were discriminated against after they were expelled from the Wildomar school in 2005. A lower court said the school isn’t bound by the same anti-discrimination laws as a business establishment.

John McKay, attorney for California Lutheran, says the school’s goal is to educate based on Christian principles.

The attorney for the girls could not be immediately reached.

(Nothing else to the article at the moment, but here is a link: http://www.365gay.com/news/court-christian-school-can-expel-lesbian-students/)
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princehal Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:29 PM
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1. Crap
I hope that that school never sees another $ of federal or state money.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:34 PM
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3. That's the point
They get no federal or state funds, so they're permitted to apply their own standards. That's how private institutions can get around federal and state laws, provided their policies are not breaking any laws.

In short, they have to commit blatantly criminal acts in order to get nailed.
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LanieR Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:33 PM
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2. Courts upheld the law
Fairly new to the forum, but in this case, I have to say, the courts rendered the right decision. A private school, funded privately, can exclude whomever they like.
Don't have to LIKE it, but that's the way it is.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:46 PM
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7. Not quite so true...
If a school kicked out two African-American students because they were black there would be such an outcry about racism.

It's because they're gay that the school can get away with it.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:56 PM
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10. There are still whites-only private schools NT
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LanieR Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:56 PM
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11. Not apples to apples
It is a private CHRISTIAN school. Nowhere in CHRISTIANITY is skin color a problem. Hard Christian values (which is what I expect are taught at the school) do NOT allow for "sexual preference."

::Shrug::

Like I said, I may not personally think it's "fair." but we're talking religion and private institution here. The Govt is supposed to be separated from the church.
This case exemplifies that.



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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 01:25 PM
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14. Whether or not hard "Christian" values discuss skin color depends on what decade
you're referring to.

If you go back a few decades in the US, you'll find plenty of "Christians" claiming that dark skin was a punishment from God.
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LanieR Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:50 AM
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22. They still probably exist today
As another poster mentioned...deep in the south.
But again, the law is clear: Separation of church and state.
If we want to keep that separation on the state side, we have to respect it on the church side, do we not?
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 01:56 PM
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15. Good start here. Apologizing for homophobia while using the phrase "sexual preference"
and even putting it in scare quotes.

:eyes:
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 09:51 PM
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19. How many clues do we need in one post, anyway?
Sheesh.
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LanieR Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 10:47 AM
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21. Oh please!
I am apologizing for nothing. I simply stated that the court responded appropriately here: Separation of Church and State won.
The church does not approve of homosexuality. This school is run by the church. Court has no jurisdiction here.
As I said, you may not "LIKE" it (quotes are meant for inflection, not to scare) but it's part of taking the good and the bad with our laws as written.



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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:35 PM
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4. Old Testament brutality? Sure. Christian principles? No way.
Edited on Wed Jan-28-09 12:37 PM by qb
I'm surprised people are rarely challenged for attributing their personal bigotry to Jesus Christ.
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:37 PM
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5. A private school can do pretty much whatever they want....
With most of them, The vast majority of their funding comes from tuition and private donations.

Asshattery, absolutely yes. But sadly enough- compeletly within their rights.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:43 PM
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6. And we want tax dollar vouchers for private schools because???
Faith based initiatives working as they are meant to work---with open discrimination. :grr:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:50 PM
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8. I'm afraid that the Court's ruling was correct
Private school, their rules.

As long as our tax money stays out of it, they are free to be homophobic paradise.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:54 PM
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9. would they have been allowed to exclude on the basis of race? nt
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 01:01 PM
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12. Actually, yes
Private school, their rules. A private school is not a public place in the way that a Wal-Mart is (though WM is privately owned). Past court rulings have sided with the government, however, in removing tax exempt status from racially exclusionary schools.

There are still some private academies, mostly in the Deep South, that opt to pay taxes so that they may avoid admitting black students.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 01:04 PM
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13. They would have been allowed to exclude on the basis of gender.
Fucked up as it may be, they might be allowed to discriminate on the basis of race as well, though I'm not sure about that.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 03:44 PM
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16. What would be the fallout, though?
Sure, they can do it. But what happens if they do? And are blatant about it?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 04:04 PM
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17. makes one wonder.
i'm not even sure about all the legal ways this has been tested on the basis of race.

if the court is evolved and understands orientation is not a choice....
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 04:56 PM
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18. Catholic schools do it all the time
what would make Lutherans any different? So do Baptists
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 11:09 AM
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25. No, they're not blatant about it....
I'm in the deep south, and in a city where the public school system has been destroyed by a perpetuated desegragation case (meaning that the case went far beyond what it was intended for, and became a money generator for a bunch of scum-sucking lawyers). Anyhoo, the case made for an explosion of private schools- most of them affiliated with some religion or another, probably for tax reasons. Do they out and out say, "we don't allow black people in our school?" No, of course not- that would be bad PR. What they actually do, is play games with wait-lists, and legacy-admissions, and lots of other grey areas. To your face, they'll swear that they are NOT racist, but get them behind closed doors.... Not so much.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 12:10 AM
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20. LA Times has it ...
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 11:01 AM
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23. let them go crazy - please kick everyone out who isn't married
what is a lesbian anyway? If I'm not married does that make me a lesbian? If my mother was lesbian, does that make me half lesbian? :rofl: idiots.

better question, what the fuck is a christian? Oh wait, if my mother was a jewish lesbian but my dad was christian does that make me judeo-lesbo-christian?

it's soooo confusing!
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-09 11:07 AM
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24. I suppose they kick out kids who eat shrimp too?
:eyes:

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