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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:17 PM
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Married Same-Sex Couples Say They Feel More Committed, Accepted By Peers
From the Boston Globe, findings of a new study looking at whay the "M" words is so important:

For Gay Couples, Married Matters
Most Say They Feel More Committed, Accepted By Peers

By Stephen Smith
Globe Staff / May 24, 2009

Five years after the first same-sex weddings in Massachusetts, gay and lesbian couples express deeply traditional reasons for deciding to wed and cite equally conventional benefits flowing from marriage, according to a study being released this week.

A significant majority of the 558 gay men and women surveyed said that since marrying, they feel more committed to their spouses, more accepted in their community, and more likely to be open about their sexual orientation at work.

The survey indicates that there is something universal about the legal protections and social advantages afforded by the institution of marriage, said the study's authors from the University of California, Los Angeles as well as independent researchers. And it suggests, they said, that a ritual once scorned even by many same-sex couples has the power to ease discrimination.

"This really helps us confirm and makes us understand why same-sex couples demand marriage - if it's just about the legal rights, why wouldn't they be happy with civil partnerships?" said Stephanie Coontz author of "Marriage, A History."

More:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/05/24/for_gay_couples_married_matters/
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 09:38 PM
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1. Cool article!
I'm going to post the link to it in my personal ad too...
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:30 PM
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2. Thanks for posting this. Interesting isn't it? Marriage matters.
Keep on fighting for marriage equality.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:37 AM
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7. It's great to see some formal work looking at the intangibles of marriage.

And I love the part about how the "M" word -- marriage, nothing more and nothing less -- "has the power to ease discrimination."

THAT is big. That is why "separate but equal" is unacceptable, because it continues to stigmatize gay and lesbian families as "The Other."

Instead, now, we see a rapid move to embrace one of our nation's core principles, Equality.

Good things happen in America when we are moving toward our ideals, rather than away from them. Let's keep the momentum going!

:hi:

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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 01:24 PM
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10. That's it exactly- the stigma of being "different" - why separate and equal aren't.
If there was no difference why would so called allies fight so hard to create an entirely different "category" for same sex couples who seek full marriage rights - word and all?

Interesting debate within conservative circles, where the benefits of marriage equality are acknowledged by writers like openly gay, but conservative, Jonathan Rauch.

Still...the far right like Satanorum :puke: keep flogging this even though there is no logical reason aside from bigotry to deny marriage equality.

This article was written over a year ago... ?




Special Report: The Same-Sex Marriage Debate
Issue Page: Gay Marriage
Event: A Conversation on Gay Marriage with Andrew Sullivan and Gerard Bradley
Thursday, April 24, 2008

The debate over same-sex marriage in the United States is a contentious one, and advocates on both sides continue to work hard to make their voices heard. To explore the case for gay marriage, the Pew Forum has turned to Jonathan Rauch, a columnist at The National Journal and guest scholar at The Brookings Institution. Rauch, who is openly gay, also authored the 2004 book Gay Marriage: Why It Is Good for Gays, Good for Straights, and Good for America.

A counterargument explaining the case against same-sex marriage is made by Rick Santorum :puke: a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and a former U.S. senator.



http://pewforum.org/events/?EventID=179

Why is marriage – I’m sorry, why is same-sex marriage good for America?

Well, you got the question right the first time. It’s “why is marriage good for America?” Same-sex marriage is good for all the same reasons. It’s good for gay people. I think if you asked straight people who have been married or hope to get married to imagine life without marriage, it’s very hard to imagine. It’s a much lonelier, much more vulnerable life.

Gay people need all the same safety. They need the same caregiving anybody else does. A society with successful marriages – and a lot of them – is a more stable, safer, more successful society. America’s problem is not too many marriages, it’s too few. Gay people are asking to be part of this social contract – to care for each other so society doesn’t have to.

<snip>

The signal we need to send now is that everybody should be getting married. The big cultural problem with the family in America is not that gay people want to get married – it’s that straight people are not getting married or not staying married. And to me, one of the important cultural effects of gay marriage will be to send a very strong signal that marriage is something that is available to and expected of everybody, not just a few.

<snip>

But all gay people are asking for now is the one thing that we lack but that all straight people already have – they don’t need to give themselves anything more. And that’s the opportunity to marry some person – one person – that we love. Right now, we can’t marry anybody. The set is the null set for us. That’s not true of straight people who want multiple husbands or multiple wives. That’s not true of people who want to marry their mother; they can have 4 billion marriage partners except their mother. So, ultimately, I think those arguments, although well intended, are primarily a red herring.

<snip>

Marriage is not like voting, something the government just gives you at the stroke of a pen by fiat. Marriage must be a community institution to have its full power, which is to make couples actually closer. It actually fortifies and not just ratifies relationships. Your marriage has to be recognized by your community, your friends, your family, your kids’ teachers, your co-workers, all of the people around you as a marriage with all of the expectations and social support that goes with that. The law can’t give you that. That comes from community and that’s something gay couples are going to have to build by showing, as I think we are in Massachusetts, that we can be good marital citizens, that we’re not hurting anybody else’s marriage.

<snip>
Question: Let’s assume that same-sex marriage eventually becomes the norm in America. Are there any downsides for gays and lesbians?

No. No, I see none at all. For gays and lesbians, I see only an upside. I see an opportunity to join in the most healthgiving, beneficial social institution that’s ever been invented by humanity. I see the prospect for young people to grow up assuming that they will have families and connections to their community that have been denied to gay people for thousands of years. I see no downside at all for gay people.


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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 10:56 PM
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3. we got presents too!
We got together in 1977. wasn't until 2008 that we got a card or gift
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:20 PM
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4. Delighted to be the 5th rec. nt
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 04:30 AM
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5. And this is why
The haters are so vehemently against marriage equality. They can't stomach the thought of us being out and happy.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:28 AM
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6. I think that is EXACTLY it!
Because GLBT people as happy, healthy, well-adjusted, prospering, contributing community members... well.

That would rip the foundation out from under their core belief and most cherished lie: that Teh Gay is eeevul!

Well, guess what, haters? It's already happening. The lie is dying, and the truth is growing stronger every day.

Game over. Winner: GLBT folks and ALL who support equality, fairness, human decency and justice.

:applause:

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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:22 AM
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8. Marriage equality is good for the economy.

http://www.law.ucla.edu/WilliamsInstitute/home.html

This brief draws on two sources of data, a survey and state-collected tax revenue data, and finds that marriages have had a positive economic effect on Massachusetts – likely providing a boost of over $100 million to the state economy. Same-sex couples’ weddings injected significant spending into the Massachusetts economy and brought out-of-state guests to the state, whose spending also added to the economic boost.
........
Data from the American Community Survey suggest that marriage equality has a small but positive impact on the number of individuals in same-sex couples who are attracted to a state. However, marriage equality appears to have a larger impact on the types of individuals in same-sex couples who are attracted to a state. This study shows that in Massachusetts marriage equality resulted in an increase of younger, female, and more highly educated and skilled individuals in same-sex couples moving to the state.


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greeneyedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 11:25 AM
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9. I was surprised by how much of a difference it made.
I had to get used to saying "my wife", but it was interesting to see hetero people's reactions when I did--taken aback for a second, but once it sunk in they had to take my relationship seriously (for once).

My partner and I have been together for almost 8 years, but immediately after we got our marriage license from the county, my wife's parents started including my name on everything, and signed cards to me "Mom and Dad" rather than their first names. It's like we are suddenly speaking the same language--what living together and taking care of each other for years apparently didn't convey, that one word "marriage" does.

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