If the public option goes down will some of our enemies apologize to us

for pointing out Obama was selling us out? I hope Obama hasn't traded away the public option but fear that he has. If he has, then the whole Warren flap was truely a warning sign. We would be owed an apology. Somehow I doubt we will be getting it.

they'll be kissing his ass for all time

You seem to be the only major group that keeps an eye on what Obama's doing, rather than what he's saying.

after taking office appointed many anti-RKBA staff, nominated a justice that is anti-RKBA, and implemented anti-RKBA policies.

RKBA (Right to Keep and Bear Arms) that is very important to 84 million gun-owners and their families and friends.

a pro gun rights staff. I would bet the farm that gun owners will face no new federal laws during the Obama administration.

him win the election to win again in 2012.

They believed Obama when he said "I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in people's lawful right to bear arms. I will not take your shotgun away. I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away."

That from a candidate who had consistently supported anti-gun efforts in the past.

And are you for or against States rights? Are you for mandated "Incorperation" of the Bill of Rights?

His policy significantly increased the cost of ammunition, reduced the supply of ammunition, and was anti-green by not reusing resources.

Obama was forced to rescind that policy when attacked by both Dem and Repub members of Congress.

I support all powers reserved to the states and protected by the Tenth Amendment.

I support incorporation of all enumerated rights in the Fourteenth Amendment and all unenumerated rights covered by the Ninth Amendment.

Why not all of the Amendments?

Bill of Rights are applied to the states through the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

I said "I support incorporation of all enumerated rights in the Fourteenth Amendment and all unenumerated rights covered by the Ninth Amendment."

The first eight Amendments are enumerated rights and the Ninth Amendment protects unenumerated rights.

There are no other rights for incorporation that would be be included in your question "Why not all of the Amendments?"

Since the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment hasn't done me much good. Nor has the Ninth Amendment been recognized to protect my unenumerated right for my marriage to be recognized.
Just sayin.

BTW as long we Pink Pistols can have our guns too I'm good to go.

inalienable right.

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=221&topic_id=136131#136134
and http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=221&topic_id=130456#130463

When the DOD and DLA made these decisions. Obama didn't reverse ANYTHING! IN fact even the NRA blame Obama. They didn't go to Obama to force him to "recind that policy. They went to DLA and the DOD. :mad:

http://www.gunslot.com/forum/feds-lift-rule-threatened-ammo-shortages
"NRA officials said they were satisfied with Defense’s quick action and move to quell persistent rumors that the logistics agency’s decision was part of a larger government effort to restrict gun ownership and ammunition access."

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=195227
Why It Happened

What emerges from the DLA's letters and the accounts of the NRA's lobbyist and the Newsmax reporter is that the policy had originated with an order the previous year (during the Bush administration) from the Office of the Secretary of Defense to prohibit the sale of uniquely military items controlled by the Department of State through its munitions list. This order eventually worked its way down to the DLA's Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service, the department responsible for selling military surplus items. DRMS found that small arms cartridge cases were listed as "sensitive" munitions items, according to the DLA letters, and thus sales of empty cases were halted.

Cox, the NRA's lobbyist, said the DLA's explanation "put to rest various theories and rumors that were circulated on the internet, concerning the reason for the suspension." He said the sales had been stopped "in the interest of national security." Newsmax's reporter said the order was intended "to keep sensitive military hardware from making it into the hands of liquidators and, potentially, the enemy."

treat Obama different?

knew were to go to have the policy recinded. The Defense Logistics Agency, the Department of Defense and their Senators and Congressman. The links I provided show that this was in the loop before Obama took office. Sort of like when Bush blamed Clinton for bin Ladin.
I DO want to treat Obama differently though. I voted for him, therefore I feel he is answerable to me for his inaction on our behalf.
I gave up long ago on trying to hold Bush accountable. Blaming him was moot. You have to be empathetic to be effected by blame.

We should be the ones apologizing to those that tried to warned us about Obama and Donnie McClurkin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIQLwe-MmxY

How do you react to the above video, knowing what you know now?

to be our friends.

even a few complete asswipes who said "you knew what you were voting for, so stop whining!". Over and over and over.

Just like my vision of addressing that argument with the old keyboard to the head, over and over and over. Their head, BTW.

Seriously, Obama ain't the sharpest marble in the bag, and the road to hell is repaved daily with his good intentions. The FIRST thing Obama should have done was healthcare price management. That should have been followed by a public option with level premiums, and NOT included converting medicare/medicaid in the price tag that OMB loves to flaunt.

If 49 million people who don't have insurance today start adding "premiums" to that system (30 million of whom are reasonably healthy young adults) you don't end up with a multi-trillion dollar health bill unless you are a complete IDIOT. I mean, dull marble.

Strategy is not Obama's strong suit.

I mean, like, get with the program.

rather than sexual orientation there is no way our cause would be minimized like this or our rights put on hold. I can't believe that any of our "friends" would stand for this kind of treatment if it were applied to Asians or Latinos or Blacks in the year 2009. When it comes to us, however, I guess it's just not the same thing.

After all, we can pass if we want to. I can't hide the color of my skin, but I can hide the way I am wired inside. So we're not really suffering all that much or if we are it's by choice. They'll get around to us when there's nothing else to worry about. In the meantime we need to stay out of the way and not divert attention from the agenda by whining about equality and civil rights. Oh, and keep those checks coming and don't forget who your buddies and your pals are when it comes time to vote.
:sarcasm:

imagine if that had happened to any other minority.

They're going down the Mussolini trail in GD:P. So I'd say, "no chance".

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That would require their recognition that we have something in common.


How dare we compare our anger about being sent to the back of the bus to their anger beilng sold our to the insurance companies and pharma? Their struggle is soooooooo much more important and relevant than ours. It's not like we have families, work for a living and pay taxes is it?



No need to add the sarcasm smilie to that last bit I hope.

"Apology"... Really, dsc, you are turning into quite the comedian!

;)

cute isn't he?

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It takes practically Phelpsian levels of homophobia even to get a person suspended here.